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    Drugs as in the whole body of techniques for changing your consciousness and seeing strange things. Substances, prayer, meditation, etc

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      19 hours ago

      You can’t just put psychoactive, mentally altering substances with beliefs in the same semantic box because you feel like it. The first one is material, chemical, whilst the second is immaterial, ideological, and their effects are very different.

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        I’m not putting drugs with beliefs. I’m putting drugs with methods like prayer and meditation

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          Mmm, fair enough… Still, not the same, and they require different mental states to even approach them that require beliefs, while doing drugs just requires recklessness and curiosity.

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            Be that as it may, in this particular way they are similar. Drugs, meditation, prayer and maybe a couple other things are the only things that deliver this altered seeing. And given that they are unique that way, I’d say that’s a pretty good reason to put them in the same box

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              Mmm. I don’t think prayer can give you any altered seeing and I’m a religious man who prays often. I won’t speak for meditation cause I don’t do that but I doubt it can either. Now, shrooms? Shrooms can alter your sight, lol.

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                I’ve done a fair bit of prayer and meditation and ya, it can. And I’ve read similar reported by others. And I’ve done shrooms too. So there you go.