*drugs are. Also they are not the most popular thing and have little to nothing to do with religion.
No really, drugs is. Think a bit.
Think drugs broadly. The whole class of getting high vision alterers.
Religion stands on the experiences of practicioners of that stuff. From shrooming shamans to meditating monks.
psychadelics are only one type of drugs, besides, you can achieve psychadelic effects through meditation alone
I agree and I agree
Religion is organized drugs?
What the fuck church are you smoking?
Drugs? As in Narcotics?
Nah, its socially unacceptable in most of Asia.
The Western World =/= Earth
Like y’all joke about drugs all the time, in Asia, that’s the equivalent of joking about terrorism.
Like “weed = cool” is not even a thing. Nobody would want to talk to you if they find out you smoke weed.
Alcohol, nicotine, caffeine are drugs, too.
But its not considered “毒品” in my native language.
Usually when people say “drugs”, it’s implied to mean “毒品” which refers to cocaine, crack, meth, heroin, and weed too.
At least that’s how I’ve mapped that word in my brain.
Which is why if you say you’re going to a “drug store” instead of “pharmacy”, a English as second language speaker is gonna look at you very weird.
English works pretty much the same way (except for that quirk with “drug store”), when people talk about “drugs” they almost never mean alcohol etc… Even though alcohol is worse than many illegal drugs, main point in favor of alcohol being that it’s legal and thus you know pretty well what you get - no poisonous diluents/extenders, no guessing at how much of the stuff you buy is actually the drug you want instead of diluent/extender, no contamination with other drugs.
Western powers and their Opium Wars did a number on the people… and now the West have many truly “hard drug” zombies and countless professional cokeheads while these things are mostly unheard of in Asia. 🤷
Drugs as in the whole body of techniques for changing your consciousness and seeing strange things. Substances, prayer, meditation, etc
You can’t just put psychoactive, mentally altering substances with beliefs in the same semantic box because you feel like it. The first one is material, chemical, whilst the second is immaterial, ideological, and their effects are very different.
I’m not putting drugs with beliefs. I’m putting drugs with methods like prayer and meditation
Mmm, fair enough… Still, not the same, and they require different mental states to even approach them that require beliefs, while doing drugs just requires recklessness and curiosity.
Be that as it may, in this particular way they are similar. Drugs, meditation, prayer and maybe a couple other things are the only things that deliver this altered seeing. And given that they are unique that way, I’d say that’s a pretty good reason to put them in the same box
Mmm. I don’t think prayer can give you any altered seeing and I’m a religious man who prays often. I won’t speak for meditation cause I don’t do that but I doubt it can either. Now, shrooms? Shrooms can alter your sight, lol.
I’ve done a fair bit of prayer and meditation and ya, it can. And I’ve read similar reported by others. And I’ve done shrooms too. So there you go.
AFAIK, most religions only talk about a few specific drugs (if any), but not drugs as a whole. As far as most religions are concerned, cannabis, cocaine, opiates are just fine.
I’m grouping prayer and meditation in with drugs. All methods for seeing. A kind of telescope
Then you’re doing it wrong.
Drugs are external tools, meditation, prayer, etc are internal tools.
Very different things
There’s the seeing connection that I made. That’s the parallel I’m drawing.
Words have meaning.
Have you tried understanding the meaning before you comment lol?
Words have meaning.
Try to convey your point better
What?
Religion is proto science to try make sense of life, the universe and everything.
There’s religion and religion, belief and belief. “Natural philosophy” and religions that addressed the natural world through simple myths (thunder means Zeus is mad and we gotta sacrifice a cow, idk) were certainly a thing, but Judaism and Islam, for instance, talk about what lies beyond the veil, Jesus’ “unseen”, and has nothing to do with the material world. Science and monotheism are not superimposed, science is about anything you can actually have evidence for.
In theory there’s actual observations in there somewhere. It isn’t all just secondhand stories.
