“It’s just a meme,” has the same energy as a confronted schoolyard bully, and apparently that’s just accepted etiquette now :/
Ive seen the same sentiment on Lemmy. Manipulative/misleading articles or even straight up misinformation is posted, and when I bring it up, OP’s response is “I don’t care.” As long as it’s the right ideology, it’s alright; and mods didn’t disagree.
…We’re so screwed, aren’t we? And by “we” I mean the internet. It’s nice to think of the Fediverse an oasis from all this, but it engineered in the same structural issues commercial social media has, I think.
The horrible truth is many of the people who have the right opinion got there in the same stupid flawed ways as people who have the wrong opinion, and are deep down no better, but just accidentally appear to be so. These people just want what they want, they don’t care if it makes sense, they don’t care about validating their beliefs against reality or having logical arguments for their beliefs. They don’t want to be know truth, they want what they already believe to be truth.
The only good people are people who are brave enough to actively test their beliefs and earnestly question their own ideology (and accept that they even have one).
Almost no one does this. People often even say they “don’t have an ideology”. Its convenient, if you have no belief system there is nothing to question.
Yeah I agree. I think the only refinement I’d add to this statement is that such people aren’t even necessarily located in “good” territory. They have a velocity in the direction of goodness, but their position may still be in bad territory. And likewise there are people who are in good territory but have a velocity in the direction of bad territory. What a complicated world…
I mean, I’ve interacted with someone with active anti-semitic beliefs in a dedicated debate space who eventually changed his views to “Well, its not the Jews fault that they got into finance. They just kind of got funneled into that.” So absolutely people with shitty views can evolve in the right direction. I respect that a million times more than someone who is morally lucky and never budges.
And example of the opposite would be someone who adopts progressive stances of their time and never evolved from there or have selective self serving progressive blinders. “LGB w/o the T”, rainbow capitalists, Red-brown alliance types, etc.
Yeah, I respect them more for sure. It gets tricky if I’m like, appointing someone for a one year period or something though, then I have to consider both the position and velocity.
„It‘s just a meme“ was proven false when Americans voted Trump for the first time „as a meme“. Yes, I remember many of them claiming they did that ironically the first time. Of course that was a lie and they stopped pretending to be just useful idiots the second time around. They‘re simply nasty people.
“It’s just a meme,” has the same energy as a confronted schoolyard bully, and apparently that’s just accepted etiquette now :/
Ive seen the same sentiment on Lemmy. Manipulative/misleading articles or even straight up misinformation is posted, and when I bring it up, OP’s response is “I don’t care.” As long as it’s the right ideology, it’s alright; and mods didn’t disagree.
…We’re so screwed, aren’t we? And by “we” I mean the internet. It’s nice to think of the Fediverse an oasis from all this, but it engineered in the same structural issues commercial social media has, I think.
The horrible truth is many of the people who have the right opinion got there in the same stupid flawed ways as people who have the wrong opinion, and are deep down no better, but just accidentally appear to be so. These people just want what they want, they don’t care if it makes sense, they don’t care about validating their beliefs against reality or having logical arguments for their beliefs. They don’t want to be know truth, they want what they already believe to be truth.
The only good people are people who are brave enough to actively test their beliefs and earnestly question their own ideology (and accept that they even have one).
Almost no one does this. People often even say they “don’t have an ideology”. Its convenient, if you have no belief system there is nothing to question.
Yeah I agree. I think the only refinement I’d add to this statement is that such people aren’t even necessarily located in “good” territory. They have a velocity in the direction of goodness, but their position may still be in bad territory. And likewise there are people who are in good territory but have a velocity in the direction of bad territory. What a complicated world…
I mean, I’ve interacted with someone with active anti-semitic beliefs in a dedicated debate space who eventually changed his views to “Well, its not the Jews fault that they got into finance. They just kind of got funneled into that.” So absolutely people with shitty views can evolve in the right direction. I respect that a million times more than someone who is morally lucky and never budges.
And example of the opposite would be someone who adopts progressive stances of their time and never evolved from there or have selective self serving progressive blinders. “LGB w/o the T”, rainbow capitalists, Red-brown alliance types, etc.
Yeah, I respect them more for sure. It gets tricky if I’m like, appointing someone for a one year period or something though, then I have to consider both the position and velocity.
„It‘s just a meme“ was proven false when Americans voted Trump for the first time „as a meme“. Yes, I remember many of them claiming they did that ironically the first time. Of course that was a lie and they stopped pretending to be just useful idiots the second time around. They‘re simply nasty people.