Source: https://www.gog.com/en/work/senior-software-engineer-c-gog-galaxy
We already knew that GOG were going to be looking more seriously at Linux, as covered here previously on GamingOnLinux. However, they’re going a step further as noted in their job listing on how “Linux is the next major frontier”.
Job Requirements:
Active use of AI tools in daily development workflows, and enthusiasm for helping the team increase adoption
Nice to have:
Passion for games and game preservation
AI Mandatory, game preservation optional. Glad they got their priorities straight 😅
It’s kind of the new loyalty test you have to pass for companies nowadays to get a dev job.
“Oh yeah I love AI and want to be replaced by robots. Spank me harder daddy”.
enthusiasm for helping the team increase adoption
Seems like they want to hire an AI salesman, not an engineer.
Here’s the secret: talk a big game about being pro AI in the interview, then just don’t use it on the job. What are they gonna do, grab your hands and put your mouse cursor on the Copilot button?
Copilot business subscriptions have fairly granular usage tracking, so they’d probably just replace you right away with someone who isn’t quite so reserved. Looking at the comments here and in other places, there is certainly no shortage of such people.
50 shades of grAI
Honestly if part of their job is at all trying to get old shit to run on new operating systems AI is very useful for that task.
Part of my job is keeping a 30 year old c++ application compiling and building on newer versions of Linux. LLMs have made this a far easier experience.
I don’t want to say you’re totally wrong, but I am skeptical of the benefit. Sure, maybe it works now, which is cool, but is it making changes that are maintainable? The next time someone does this is it going to work? If we just constantly have LLMs update code, when does it start breaking, and when it does is it going to be in a state someone can fix?
Im not generally making source code changes. It’s the dependencies.
Mainly we’re talking about building very old versions of things like libpng. Making things like autoconf and configure and cmake all work is a pain in the ass as their versions slowly change.
The business would be content to let it run on Ubuntu 12 until it’s a major problem so I can’t let the perfect be the enemy of good.
Fair enough. Probably a good use case for it. I’ve found it’s pretty reliable at creating boilerplate. I just wouldn’t trust it for doing anything important.
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If you want to ditch every software company/vendor that uses LLM code tools, you may want to never touch software ever again.
Doomposting about AI inevitability is only beneficial to AI companies… If your claim is even true. And if it is, we should shame everybody else.
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None of what you brought up as a positive are things an LLM does. Most of those things existed before the modern transformer-based LLMs were even a thing.
LLM-s are glorified text prediction engines and nothing about their nature makes them excel at formal languages. It doesn’t know any rules. It doesn’t have any internal logic. For example if the training data consistently exhibits the same flawed piece of code then an LLM will spit out the same flawed piece of code, because that’s the most likely continuation of its current “train of thought”. You would have to fine-tune the model around all those flaws and then hope some combination of a prompt won’t lead the model back into that flawed data.
I’ve used LLMs to generate SQL, which according to you is something they should excel at, and I’ve had to fix literal syntax errors that would prevent the statement from executing. A regular SQL linter would instantly pick up that the SQL is wrong but an LLM can’t pick up those errors because an LLM does not understand the syntax.
I’ve seen humans generate code with syntax errors, try to run it, then fix it. I’ve seen llms do the same stuff - it does that faster than the human though
But that extra time is then wasted because humans still have to review the code an LLM generates and fix all the other logical errors it makes because at best an LLM does exactly what you tell them to do. I’ve worked with a developer who did exactly what the ticket says and nothing more and it was a pain in the ass because their code always needed double checking that their narrow focus on a very specific problem didn’t break the domain as a whole. I don’t think you’re gaining any productivity with LLMs, you’re only shifting the work from writing code to reviewing code and I’ve yet to meet a developer who enjoys reviewing code more than writing code, which means code will receive less attention and thus becomes more prone to bugs.
We had all of those things before AI and they worked just fine and didn’t require 50 Exowatts of electricity to run.
Neither does a locally run LLM model.
Hey Steven, how do you think they make those models?
(As if you genuinely believe those are the ones GOG is using.)
So you agree those models have already been made, and running them no longer require 50 exawatts of power, right? Not sure why you decide to change the context to training the models instead of running it like the other guy was claiming.
(As if you genuinely believe those are the ones GOG is using.)
I thought the context was changed to general use of LLM as a tool for programmers, not specifically about GOG? Can’t even double check it now because the mod removed the comment for some reason.
Citation needed.
You’re on a post about Linux, an OS that’s grown in popularity thanks to Microsoft ruining Windows with the “true aids” you’re promoting here.
Whatever MS bakes into Windows is not what I listed above. Spin up a local LLM trained on your code base and try using it.
No thanks AI bro.
I don’t buy your evidence-free praise of AI. And I don’t buy your No True Scotsman fallacy.
Hey I’m against corporate AI too, but when anyone can create a very basic ML program that runs locally with public domain data, eventually something both useful and ethical will emerge. It’s good to be skeptical, but you don’t have to be an AI bro to see that some specific tools might meet or exceed your standards.
I don’t like image or video generators, but the core tech is really useful for frame interpolation, a usecase that is not inherently controversial and badly needs improvement.
Sorry to not-x-it’s-y, but it’s not about forcing the big tool into your workflow, it’s about finding the 1001 little tools that work every time and collecting them. Or, wait for these tools to be consolidated.
If I seem naive, It’s cause I believe in reclaiming as much from tainted technology as possible.
Well I will not share a screencast where a local LLM helps with code completion on a private project. You talk like you’re a proficient developer, you can try that on your own. And where is the fallacy?
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I wasn’t talking about existing tools.
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Would you have taken a moral stance against automated telephone switchboards or online shopping?
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Both of those things put a lot of people out of work, but our economy adapted, and there was nothing to be gained by shaming the people embracing the technology that was clearly going to take over. I’m not convinced AI tools are that, but if they are, then nothing can stop it, and you’re shaming a bunch of people who have literally no choice.
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Well they’re some random person expressing their opinion as well. Why are you denying them the same right you claim?
I used an example of two technologies that were destructive and inevitable, now both definitely parts of your daily life, to show how silly it is take a stance against a technology like that. I don’t need to work at GOG for that to be the case. And to reiterate, AI might not be inevitable. If it’s not, this problem takes care of itself economically, and you don’t need to shame anyone.
Those things didn’t destroy communities, pollute the earth, wrestle personal computing away from the populace, use up all the drinking water in an area, and provide a near total and realtime panopticon of everyone, everywhere, at all times, while stealing all the collected works of said society in order to be built without penalty at a time when ordinary folks are ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars because they posted a social media video of their kid dancing to a song that was playing on broadcast radio.
But sure keep boiling in that pot because you don’t need to do all the boilerplate for your fucking Node project or whatever. Fucking frog.
You’re talking about the worst of AI, which I agree should be dismantled. There are many smaller projects that do not do the things you mentioned, and it’s possible to support those while shunning corporate AI.
It is the role of government to regulate those problems, but you can’t uninvent a technology. As for me in my work, the most I can say is that I almost used AI once; a coworker did it for me before I could get to our company approved AI page. That, plus other companies mandating its usage (if it was really so great, it wouldn’t be difficult to convince anyone to use it) is why I’m not confident that it is one of those inevitable technologies. But if it is, being a dick to people about it is stupid.
If you think every LLM tool is a product of an over valued tech bro company then what’s that say about you?
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That’s only if the HR knew what they were talking about when crafting the listing. Not saying GOG will use AI for good, but we don’t know if the job will require something like ChatGPT or something in-house that isn’t like GPT.
The good thing is they don’t have DRM so boycott is extremely easy and at the same time very hard
I would love to. They deserve a little lovin’ for all the work they put in preserving games. 10/10, would buy games from them over Steam any and every day.
require potential devs to use AI in their workflow
From where did you get that?
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Sounds like a regular software development job where instead of being a Luddite, people use the latest technology for the job.
Luddites didn’t fear technology, they feared for the commoditisation of manual labour and they were dead on right as pauperism followed.
Which means calling some anti-AI people Luddites make perfect sense, no? Many of them have just as valid of a worry and fear as the Luddites did.
Of course, once the anti-AI sentiment goes mainstream, the amount of idiots who are irrationally anti-AI also increases, and these ones are not worth listening to, unlike the Luddites-like ones.
Waiting for this comment lmao
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Anti AI arguments are always good for a laugh. I enjoy using the best tools for my job. Sometimes the best tool for software development is AI. Sometimes AI does a bad job and other tools work best. What does that make me? A software developer, I suppose.
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If making art is the process of getting something inspired in your head into the physical world, then it would make one an artist. AI would be a tool to achieve that.
Many people still don’t consider digital artists to be artists because they use tools that make it easier than physical art.
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Here’s one
Reddit Link
I’m not arguing that using AI makes me a software developer. I’m saying that as a software developer, I seek to use the best tools for the job, just like any other job.
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I never said anything about artists. I don’t think AI has much use in artistic endeavors. I’m talking about a software development job.
AI Bros are always good for a laugh. They can’t point to any industry successes, pretend massive industry failures like Microsoft don’t count, and generally trust their own feelings over facts.
trust thsir own feelings over facts
Can I take a guess that you are not currently employed in the software development industry?
There you go, predictably making more baseless claims. If these things are supposedly so great, prove it.
And how did you hallucinate a misspelling in my comment? Maybe take a break from Elon’s CSAM bot for a while.
Because I typed it.
I don’t need to prove anything, but mostly, your issue seems to be that you think a shitty in-painting image model has anything to do with the usefulness of something like Github Co-Pilot.
If you don’t understand something it’s ok not to have the edgy opinion on it by default.
If you think you’re immune to that, you’re an idiot.
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Oof. I may never recover from this one.
Good morning GOG!
no fucking thanks.
i’d stay with the unofficial clients rather than touch this soon to be slopware.ok that was always allowed
Yeah, but they gotta make sure everyone knows they have an opinion, lest you forget they exist 😂
I wish though they were a bit more friendly towards Proton/Wine. Knowing what games are compatible and to what degree before purchasing them would make me happier.
Knowing what games are compatible and to what degree before purchasing them would make me happier.
That’s what https://www.protondb.com/ is good for.
There’s also a very generous 30 day refund policy, so if you’re at all unsure, make sure it’s working in that first month. I was pretty close to refunding The Alters, because that game just barely works via Proton, even with the right workarounds. Hell of a game though.
Being able to filter what works from what doesn’t is a great way of weeding out possible disappointments.
Sure, but you take the good with the bad. Most games work, and you get to actually own a copy via GOG. Hopefully they do proper integration with Proton in the future, and this position they’re hiring for may very well lead to that. There’s the option to buy games through Heroic, which gives Heroic a cut of GOG sales, so I’m sure to always do that so that I send the signal to GOG what’s important to me and how they can earn my whole dollar.
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Old news.
Two days old. Before they were saying to “consider” implementing a linux version for their launcher, now they are hiring.
Corollary: All news are old news.
