You are confusing me with someone else. Also you are not discussing. I said it clearly, you state personal experiences and opinions as if facts. There’s nothing for others to discuss there.
How cruel of me to ask a question about an experience breaking buy instead of shushing myself and kneeling in front of Steam for giving me this opportunity to play on proton.
There certainly is. You can disagree with my points the same as I disagreed with yours. And you have, just a bit later on in the discussion.
How cruel of me to ask a question
There’s no problem with asking questions. i didn’t have an answer, so I didn’t respond to that point. I launch things through Steam’s UI, so I don’t trigger the issue you seem to have w/ it.
The reasons you’re getting downvotes and negative interaction is largely your justification for piracy. I don’t think anyone would have an issue if you said “I pirate because games are too expensive” or “I pirate because I fundamentally disagree w/ DRM” or something of that nature. But no, you said, “A main reason I pirate is because Steam opens a window when I launch a game with it minimized.”
That’s ridiculous, but I didn’t down vote. Why? Because you had an on topic, relevant comment asking if a specific bug was fixed. But I also didn’t upvote. Why? Because you also had a completely irrelevant, IMO silly comment about you pirating because of a super minor thing. If you had left it at just the question, I probably would’ve upvoted and maybe tried out that bug you mentioned. As it turns out, someone did just that and confirmed that it’s still a bug.
Also, if you’ll notice, I didn’t respond to your top-level post, I responded to other people making what I feel are inaccurate statements. In this particular chain, we were discussing Steam being “bloatware,” and I was pointing out that, while it could be slimmer (i.e. less bloat), it does a lot of things very well, especially from the perspective of a Linux gamer where the other options are way worse on a number of fronts.
Steam as a platform provides a ton of value, for example:
Steam input
Remote Play
Proton
And all of those things work w/ games not purchased from Steam, which is awesome! I use each of those all the time on my Steam Deck, many times for games not purchased through Steam (e.g. I have Heroic load GOG and Epic games to the Steam UI so I can use those features). Steam is a great platform with a client that does a lot of things well.
Yes it has bugs, but having bugs doesn’t make something “bloatware.” The bugs absolutely suck, and they should be called out so they hopefully get Valve’s attention and get fixed, but that doesn’t make the whole package “terrible,” and IMO they certainly don’t justify piracy. There are a lot of valid reasons to justify piracy though, so don’t go putting words in my mouth claiming they don’t exist.
steam provides a lot of utility sure, that’s why i even use it at all. But just because a shitty app provides a lot of utility doesn’t make it a good app, if anything, the steam client is MVP, nothing more. Just barely good enough to ship to market.
You are confusing me with someone else. Also you are not discussing. I said it clearly, you state personal experiences and opinions as if facts. There’s nothing for others to discuss there.
How cruel of me to ask a question about an experience breaking buy instead of shushing myself and kneeling in front of Steam for giving me this opportunity to play on proton.
There certainly is. You can disagree with my points the same as I disagreed with yours. And you have, just a bit later on in the discussion.
There’s no problem with asking questions. i didn’t have an answer, so I didn’t respond to that point. I launch things through Steam’s UI, so I don’t trigger the issue you seem to have w/ it.
The reasons you’re getting downvotes and negative interaction is largely your justification for piracy. I don’t think anyone would have an issue if you said “I pirate because games are too expensive” or “I pirate because I fundamentally disagree w/ DRM” or something of that nature. But no, you said, “A main reason I pirate is because Steam opens a window when I launch a game with it minimized.”
That’s ridiculous, but I didn’t down vote. Why? Because you had an on topic, relevant comment asking if a specific bug was fixed. But I also didn’t upvote. Why? Because you also had a completely irrelevant, IMO silly comment about you pirating because of a super minor thing. If you had left it at just the question, I probably would’ve upvoted and maybe tried out that bug you mentioned. As it turns out, someone did just that and confirmed that it’s still a bug.
Also, if you’ll notice, I didn’t respond to your top-level post, I responded to other people making what I feel are inaccurate statements. In this particular chain, we were discussing Steam being “bloatware,” and I was pointing out that, while it could be slimmer (i.e. less bloat), it does a lot of things very well, especially from the perspective of a Linux gamer where the other options are way worse on a number of fronts.
Steam as a platform provides a ton of value, for example:
And all of those things work w/ games not purchased from Steam, which is awesome! I use each of those all the time on my Steam Deck, many times for games not purchased through Steam (e.g. I have Heroic load GOG and Epic games to the Steam UI so I can use those features). Steam is a great platform with a client that does a lot of things well.
Yes it has bugs, but having bugs doesn’t make something “bloatware.” The bugs absolutely suck, and they should be called out so they hopefully get Valve’s attention and get fixed, but that doesn’t make the whole package “terrible,” and IMO they certainly don’t justify piracy. There are a lot of valid reasons to justify piracy though, so don’t go putting words in my mouth claiming they don’t exist.
steam provides a lot of utility sure, that’s why i even use it at all. But just because a shitty app provides a lot of utility doesn’t make it a good app, if anything, the steam client is MVP, nothing more. Just barely good enough to ship to market.
Some parts are really well polished IMO:
But there are also a lot of rough edges, like high resource usage and weird interface bugs. It could be better, but it could also be a lot worse.