Call me a bootlicker then I suppose bc I stand by them.
Posts advocating class solidarity, or like this one, meta making fun of the drama? Absolutely yes! Capitalism = evil, I know! (caveats: on the large scale, when unregulated, etc.)
Posts mentioning how sharp guillotines can get? Nope. Especially when it explicitly goes against community or instance rules. This will not end well imho. Innocent people are going to get caught up, and overall society, having refused to learn from history (AGAIN) will need to relearn some lessons. Especially with today’s level of surveillance… yikes! 😳
It’s like someone spent zero minutes reading the dictionary definition of “anarchy” and decided to implement it online nonetheless. Fuck the “facts” about how that actually advocates for the return to a more tribal form of… hey, what it REALLY means is that anyone can do whatever they want, at any time! (unstated premise: but nobody else should have that freedom, only the “right” people)
I just unsubscribed from the Lemmy shitpost and microblog memes communities, and now my Subscribed feed is kinda boring AF except the stuff I’ve already seen today.:-( Fortunately there are tons of others - Star Trek, LOTR, Star Wars, we’ve got good content here.:-)
This mostly dashes any hopes I had about being able to recommend Lemmy to people irl one day.
It would be different if someone were to spin up their own instance - like lemmyusa.com just did, awesome! - or to create their own community, then they truly can do as they please. But why use someone else’s hardware, go to someone else’s home, and absolutely INSIST on doing whatever da fuq you want, not merely ignoring but flagrantly flaunting the rules? Bc of the “rightness” of the cause?
Okay then, so the philosophy used by the Alt-Right it is, apparently. I’m now calling it the Alt-Left. That term used to be made up and falsely applied - but no longer. 😢
Or hell even your home town childhood friends. The most overbeared ones I knew all went hard AF
If you wanna talk about alt left and alt right. Look where going hard has gotten the right. In charge that is, with the left sitting with their thumbs up their ass. The right took over all 3 fucking branches in the US. And fucking twitter. And making gains all over Europe. Not to mention the trillion$. Meanwhile one guy possibly just did more to fight for the working class than the ‘left’ for the past fucking decade.
Silencing people results in radicalization.
They NEED an outlet. They DESERVE an outlet. So thanks Lemmy.world you’re on the path to radicalize more than many could if they tried, while trying the opposite
Yes I’d like to set up my own instance this upcoming year. Many independent instances growing and .world shrinking is a future I’ll happily seek to be a part of
I generally don’t engage this much with posts of these types, but you seem to be a person who is making statements in good faith. As such, I want to encourage you to look a bit more into those you might label the “alt-left” because I’m quite certain I fall into that category and there’s a lot more than “anyone can do anything they want at anytime” to what we (in the US) were taught in school about things like historical Anarchist movements.
Namely: “Anarchy means no rules and no one is in charge! Burn everything!!!”
If I were to sum things up as succinctly as possible I would say that the primary idea behind “anarchy” as a philosophy isn’t a “return to tribalism” but a flattening of hierarchies. (Not to be confused with anarcho-capitalism, which is in practice very different with regard to hierarchy)
Boiled down to key concepts:
No one person is inherently better or more intrinsically valuable than another person.
Every person should be allowed their own agency, to associate with whom they please, and have access to the necessities of life.
Any decisions made should be made with the consent of everyone they affect.
There’s a lot of actual theory and what not you can get into, it’s all available freely online, because that’s another thing anarchists are big on, free access to education. The first read that springs to mind is “The Conquest of Bread” which lays out how and why an anarchy based society would work in practice. (Tl;Dr: technology has made it so that we can produce far more than we actually need, so we are capable of supporting everyone without starvation, homelessness, and man-made oppression)
Genuinely thank you for the correction. I was mostly being tongue-in-cheek there with the ellipses but that seems to not have been all that obvious and anyway you are correct in that it would have helped to have aimed to be more precise even in a flippant offhand remark.
I have no idea if you are Alt-Left or not but from what I see here that seems a firm “no”? I would say that someone who often resorts to using lies is, while someone who at least aims to use only truths is not. Alt-Left isn’t quite the same as extreme leftist, nor are either identical to “tankie”, although there are some who are one or two or all three of those and yet there are also huge schisms between those who merely “play” at being some of them while actually not being thus.
I may not agree with the extremist left (truly I do not) but I will defend your right to hold such an opinion, while the Alt-Left to me represents disingenuous crap that needs to be fought against harder even than capitalism itself - i.e. the Alt-Left is doing the extreme leftist movement no favors, especially by using such easily-debunked lies and false argument practices.
Fwiw, “Any decisions made should be made with the consent of everyone they affect” seems to fly in the face of putting up “memes” that say “we should kill people” (e.g. landlords), not only b/c of the people’s whose lives may be directly or indirectly impacted but also those who have to merely read such content. We did not sign up for such when we joined the community, and now we are affected by it, unless the mods choose to enact the rules that they previously agreed to. It’s not about conversations not being allowed, but about those conversations being held in a RESPECTFUL (& civil?) manner, i.e. not everywhere & everyhow that the poster chooses despite when that is explicitly against the consent of the recipient. Again, if someone wants to make their own instance and/or community… then they can post whatever they like?
Thus a poster knowingly posting out-of-bounds material and then whinging about it having been removed seems to me, admittedly from the outside mind you, not to represent “real/true anarchy”, but a child’s version of it? As if they are merely using the claim that it is “anarchy” as a cover, in order to attempt to win the argument by cowing the recipient into submission, borrowing from the genuine power of the word and thereby cheapening it in the process, which they do not care about so long as they get their way.
I am curious to hear your take though: would you agree with the premise as I have stated it here? Maybe even also the conclusion?
Thank you for both the shortened summaries and the link to go deeper elsewhere.
Call me a bootlicker then I suppose bc I stand by them.
Posts advocating class solidarity, or like this one, meta making fun of the drama? Absolutely yes! Capitalism = evil, I know! (caveats: on the large scale, when unregulated, etc.)
Posts mentioning how sharp guillotines can get? Nope. Especially when it explicitly goes against community or instance rules. This will not end well imho. Innocent people are going to get caught up, and overall society, having refused to learn from history (AGAIN) will need to relearn some lessons. Especially with today’s level of surveillance… yikes! 😳
It’s like someone spent zero minutes reading the dictionary definition of “anarchy” and decided to implement it online nonetheless. Fuck the “facts” about how that actually advocates for the return to a more tribal form of… hey, what it REALLY means is that anyone can do whatever they want, at any time! (unstated premise: but nobody else should have that freedom, only the “right” people)
I just unsubscribed from the Lemmy shitpost and microblog memes communities, and now my Subscribed feed is kinda boring AF except the stuff I’ve already seen today.:-( Fortunately there are tons of others - Star Trek, LOTR, Star Wars, we’ve got good content here.:-)
This mostly dashes any hopes I had about being able to recommend Lemmy to people irl one day.
It would be different if someone were to spin up their own instance - like lemmyusa.com just did, awesome! - or to create their own community, then they truly can do as they please. But why use someone else’s hardware, go to someone else’s home, and absolutely INSIST on doing whatever da fuq you want, not merely ignoring but flagrantly flaunting the rules? Bc of the “rightness” of the cause?
Okay then, so the philosophy used by the Alt-Right it is, apparently. I’m now calling it the Alt-Left. That term used to be made up and falsely applied - but no longer. 😢
Silencing people results in radicalization.
Look at the Middle East
Or hell even your home town childhood friends. The most overbeared ones I knew all went hard AF
If you wanna talk about alt left and alt right. Look where going hard has gotten the right. In charge that is, with the left sitting with their thumbs up their ass. The right took over all 3 fucking branches in the US. And fucking twitter. And making gains all over Europe. Not to mention the trillion$. Meanwhile one guy possibly just did more to fight for the working class than the ‘left’ for the past fucking decade.
Silencing people results in radicalization.
They NEED an outlet. They DESERVE an outlet. So thanks Lemmy.world you’re on the path to radicalize more than many could if they tried, while trying the opposite
Yes I’d like to set up my own instance this upcoming year. Many independent instances growing and .world shrinking is a future I’ll happily seek to be a part of
I wasn’t gonna, but since you asked:
“You’re a bootlicker.”
Upvoting bc I wanna.
Although I it’s (far) worse than that I fear - I genuinely believe it. There is no “hope” for me it would seem.:-)
I generally don’t engage this much with posts of these types, but you seem to be a person who is making statements in good faith. As such, I want to encourage you to look a bit more into those you might label the “alt-left” because I’m quite certain I fall into that category and there’s a lot more than “anyone can do anything they want at anytime” to what we (in the US) were taught in school about things like historical Anarchist movements.
Namely: “Anarchy means no rules and no one is in charge! Burn everything!!!”
If I were to sum things up as succinctly as possible I would say that the primary idea behind “anarchy” as a philosophy isn’t a “return to tribalism” but a flattening of hierarchies. (Not to be confused with anarcho-capitalism, which is in practice very different with regard to hierarchy)
Boiled down to key concepts:
There’s a lot of actual theory and what not you can get into, it’s all available freely online, because that’s another thing anarchists are big on, free access to education. The first read that springs to mind is “The Conquest of Bread” which lays out how and why an anarchy based society would work in practice. (Tl;Dr: technology has made it so that we can produce far more than we actually need, so we are capable of supporting everyone without starvation, homelessness, and man-made oppression)
Genuinely thank you for the correction. I was mostly being tongue-in-cheek there with the ellipses but that seems to not have been all that obvious and anyway you are correct in that it would have helped to have aimed to be more precise even in a flippant offhand remark.
I have no idea if you are Alt-Left or not but from what I see here that seems a firm “no”? I would say that someone who often resorts to using lies is, while someone who at least aims to use only truths is not. Alt-Left isn’t quite the same as extreme leftist, nor are either identical to “tankie”, although there are some who are one or two or all three of those and yet there are also huge schisms between those who merely “play” at being some of them while actually not being thus.
I may not agree with the extremist left (truly I do not) but I will defend your right to hold such an opinion, while the Alt-Left to me represents disingenuous crap that needs to be fought against harder even than capitalism itself - i.e. the Alt-Left is doing the extreme leftist movement no favors, especially by using such easily-debunked lies and false argument practices.
Fwiw, “Any decisions made should be made with the consent of everyone they affect” seems to fly in the face of putting up “memes” that say “we should kill people” (e.g. landlords), not only b/c of the people’s whose lives may be directly or indirectly impacted but also those who have to merely read such content. We did not sign up for such when we joined the community, and now we are affected by it, unless the mods choose to enact the rules that they previously agreed to. It’s not about conversations not being allowed, but about those conversations being held in a RESPECTFUL (& civil?) manner, i.e. not everywhere & everyhow that the poster chooses despite when that is explicitly against the consent of the recipient. Again, if someone wants to make their own instance and/or community… then they can post whatever they like?
Thus a poster knowingly posting out-of-bounds material and then whinging about it having been removed seems to me, admittedly from the outside mind you, not to represent “real/true anarchy”, but a child’s version of it? As if they are merely using the claim that it is “anarchy” as a cover, in order to attempt to win the argument by cowing the recipient into submission, borrowing from the genuine power of the word and thereby cheapening it in the process, which they do not care about so long as they get their way.
I am curious to hear your take though: would you agree with the premise as I have stated it here? Maybe even also the conclusion?
Thank you for both the shortened summaries and the link to go deeper elsewhere.
You fucking bootlicker