The same way we fight it in the physical world. With debate and education and engagement.
Wild that you would express concern with spreading of fascism while advocating for technocracy. You don’t oppose fascism- you just have a preferred flavor of it.
This I agree with. However, I disagree with debating fascists. They don’t debate in good faith. Their aim in any debate is to wear you down by spewing more lies than you have the time or energy to debunk.
You can’t humiliate someone who has no shame. And with their firehose of falsehoods, you’ll only expose a small portion of their lies by the time they’ve already moved on. Nothing productive comes from waging a war of words with people who don’t believe in the words that come out of their own mouth.
The point isn’t to make them feel humiliation, nor convert them. It’s to make an example of them. This is also why people should physically assault any Nazis they see in public. Make being openly fascist an embarrassing & dangerous lifestyle.
If you’re having trouble following it, just ask for clarification. You’re not in a position to be an ass when you’re confused.
It’s not to convert the fascist. It’s to make them a joke in front of everyone else, and fuck their recruitment.
There’s actually a really interesting and funny example in history. The Superman radio broadcast from back before television started featuring stories about Superman fighting the KKK, and one of the writers had infiltrated the group to get real insider info, and then make fun of it on the show. It was a massive embarrassment for the clan, and really fucked up their operations, especially recruitment.
I’m not, really. I just don’t think we have the luxury of taking the amount of time that we would need to educate people thoroughly enough to counteract the algorithm.
Probably what we need is a limitation on free speech where blatant misinformation is involved. In the same way that shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theatre is harmful, so is repeating false claims to stir political discord.
The same way we fight it in the physical world. With debate and education and engagement.
Wild that you would express concern with spreading of fascism while advocating for technocracy. You don’t oppose fascism- you just have a preferred flavor of it.
the algorithms will not show them to nearly as many consumers as it does with fascist content
Yes, we need more regulation of companies, and what they push. Not people.
This I agree with. However, I disagree with debating fascists. They don’t debate in good faith. Their aim in any debate is to wear you down by spewing more lies than you have the time or energy to debunk.
The point isn’t to convert the fascist. It’s to humiliate them and expose them in front of everyone else.
You can’t humiliate someone who has no shame. And with their firehose of falsehoods, you’ll only expose a small portion of their lies by the time they’ve already moved on. Nothing productive comes from waging a war of words with people who don’t believe in the words that come out of their own mouth.
The point isn’t to make them feel humiliation, nor convert them. It’s to make an example of them. This is also why people should physically assault any Nazis they see in public. Make being openly fascist an embarrassing & dangerous lifestyle.
Do you think about the things you say before you say them?
If you’re having trouble following it, just ask for clarification. You’re not in a position to be an ass when you’re confused.
It’s not to convert the fascist. It’s to make them a joke in front of everyone else, and fuck their recruitment.
There’s actually a really interesting and funny example in history. The Superman radio broadcast from back before television started featuring stories about Superman fighting the KKK, and one of the writers had infiltrated the group to get real insider info, and then make fun of it on the show. It was a massive embarrassment for the clan, and really fucked up their operations, especially recruitment.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/23157/how-superman-defeated-ku-klux-klan
Debate, education and engagement take time.
The algorithm is instantaneously ready with the next easily digestible bit of content to send you further down the rabbit hole into radicalization.
I worry that we need a more instantaneous cure in our current information environment.
“Instantaneous cure” sounds like you’re suggesting something super fucked up.
I’m not, really. I just don’t think we have the luxury of taking the amount of time that we would need to educate people thoroughly enough to counteract the algorithm.
Probably what we need is a limitation on free speech where blatant misinformation is involved. In the same way that shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theatre is harmful, so is repeating false claims to stir political discord.
The eagerness to censor people, and not the companies pushing the shit, is such peak fascist bootlicking behavior.