You’re interpretation of the language component of modern Ukraine aids russian genocidal imperialism. There is no issue with private use of russian language. I actually live here and I speak russian with my family and many of my friends (including folks from Kharkiv). Don’t be coy with me.
I brought up the 1.2 million russian men who participated in the full scale invasion of Ukraine to show that your musings about russians being afraid of conscription in the late 90s is BS. You’re making up excuses and whitewashing russian crimes. Helping them play the vicitm. It’s always someone else’s fault or there is some excuse.
Where did I say that there is something inherent (essential) about russians that makes them act this way? Why would I even say this? This would be another excuse. Russians have the full capability to build out a normal society and even pay for the wrongs of their genocidal imperialism. They choose not to. They are welcome to prove me wrong.
Pretty much every single Russian who’s not actively Z hates Russia right now, even if they can’t admit it to themselves.
You’re either very naive or you’re being malicious. Show me an example of a russian “who is not actively Z” (and not hated by 99.99% of the population) showing any measure of nuance on their genocide of the Chechens in the 90s. An appreciation that comparable civilian causalities would be 7 million russians dead would be great.
You can take that as an opportunity to educate, or you can increase the amount of prejudice in the world.
And what do you mean by an opportunity to educate? What is your expected outcome from this alleged “education” and when (specific date) to you expect to see a result? Or is this just a meaningless platitude?
Asking people to respect facts is not prejudice. Pointing out that you (and many others) are whitewashing and enabling russian crimes is not prejudice. Rejecting infantalization of russian society and treating them like adults who should take responsibility for their actions is not prejudice.
There is no issue with private use of russian language.
So once you’re out on the street you can’t talk Russian any more? If you’re in a trench, holding the frontline, with other Russian speakers, you can’t speak Russian?
to show that your musings about russians being afraid of conscription in the late 90s is BS.
I saw the fear in people’s eyes. It’s not like Dedovshchina was a state secret. The reason Moscow had it relatively easy to recruit people so far is that there’s a lot of very, very poor Russians, and they’re offering them lots of money. Those also aren’t the best-informed Russians. They’re by now also mostly dead, one of the reasons why I don’t think the war will make it through the year.
Where did I say that there is something inherent (essential) about russians that makes them act this way?
Two factors, mostly: Your constant unwillingness to say stuff like “Yeah that aspect of Russian culture is actually neat”, instead going for “but have you heard of their torture methods”, and your insistence on eradicating Russian from Ukraine anywhere that’s not a private kitchen table.
You’re either very naive or you’re being malicious. Show me an example of a russian “who is not actively Z” (and not hated by 99.99% of the population) showing any measure of nuance on their genocide of the Chechens in the 90s
That’s a rather specific thing to demand, and also not what I was getting at. Those people hate the lack of freedom in the country. They might still be caught in “People on the top know better I’ll better not think about politics much less talk about it that only gets me into trouble”, but they certainly don’t appreciate Putin’s breach of the social contract: “The Tsar gets to rule, in exchange the Tsar will stay out of people’s lives”. They’re not happy about the situation, but lack political conscience to analyse the situation, much less do something about it. General discontent without means to express it. Just as in Soviet times. Just as in Tsarist times. It was different around the millennium, very different.
You might want to ask e.g. NFKRZ, I bet he has quite a couple of choice words regarding Chechnya, I think the first time I heard that Putin orchestrated the 1999 bombings was from him. I don’t think he’s hated by 99.99% of Russians, though there’s doubtless a majority who are scared to even listen to people like him. In many cases because they would agree, and that’s dangerous.
And what do you mean by an opportunity to educate? What is your expected outcome from this alleged “education” and when (specific date) to you expect to see a result? Or is this just a meaningless platitude?
Wrong question. The question is “what does either approach do to you”. I don’t believe I’ll see utopia in my lifetime, but at least I’ll be able to say that I walked in the right direction.
Pointing out that you (and many others) are whitewashing and enabling russian crimes is not prejudice.
What crime, specifically, am I whitewashing or enabling? Speaking Russian in public in Kharkiv?
Rejecting infantalization of russian society and treating them like adults who should take responsibility for their actions is not prejudice.
You don’t need to be a child to be fooled, or scared. Which is where education comes in, which you deny them. Don’t get me wrong I’m not demanding that you do it – if you don’t find it in you, if it’s too painful, then don’t. Just don’t argue against it.
You’re interpretation of the language component of modern Ukraine aids russian genocidal imperialism. There is no issue with private use of russian language. I actually live here and I speak russian with my family and many of my friends (including folks from Kharkiv). Don’t be coy with me.
I brought up the 1.2 million russian men who participated in the full scale invasion of Ukraine to show that your musings about russians being afraid of conscription in the late 90s is BS. You’re making up excuses and whitewashing russian crimes. Helping them play the vicitm. It’s always someone else’s fault or there is some excuse.
Where did I say that there is something inherent (essential) about russians that makes them act this way? Why would I even say this? This would be another excuse. Russians have the full capability to build out a normal society and even pay for the wrongs of their genocidal imperialism. They choose not to. They are welcome to prove me wrong.
You’re either very naive or you’re being malicious. Show me an example of a russian “who is not actively Z” (and not hated by 99.99% of the population) showing any measure of nuance on their genocide of the Chechens in the 90s. An appreciation that comparable civilian causalities would be 7 million russians dead would be great.
And what do you mean by an opportunity to educate? What is your expected outcome from this alleged “education” and when (specific date) to you expect to see a result? Or is this just a meaningless platitude?
Asking people to respect facts is not prejudice. Pointing out that you (and many others) are whitewashing and enabling russian crimes is not prejudice. Rejecting infantalization of russian society and treating them like adults who should take responsibility for their actions is not prejudice.
So once you’re out on the street you can’t talk Russian any more? If you’re in a trench, holding the frontline, with other Russian speakers, you can’t speak Russian?
I saw the fear in people’s eyes. It’s not like Dedovshchina was a state secret. The reason Moscow had it relatively easy to recruit people so far is that there’s a lot of very, very poor Russians, and they’re offering them lots of money. Those also aren’t the best-informed Russians. They’re by now also mostly dead, one of the reasons why I don’t think the war will make it through the year.
Two factors, mostly: Your constant unwillingness to say stuff like “Yeah that aspect of Russian culture is actually neat”, instead going for “but have you heard of their torture methods”, and your insistence on eradicating Russian from Ukraine anywhere that’s not a private kitchen table.
That’s a rather specific thing to demand, and also not what I was getting at. Those people hate the lack of freedom in the country. They might still be caught in “People on the top know better I’ll better not think about politics much less talk about it that only gets me into trouble”, but they certainly don’t appreciate Putin’s breach of the social contract: “The Tsar gets to rule, in exchange the Tsar will stay out of people’s lives”. They’re not happy about the situation, but lack political conscience to analyse the situation, much less do something about it. General discontent without means to express it. Just as in Soviet times. Just as in Tsarist times. It was different around the millennium, very different.
You might want to ask e.g. NFKRZ, I bet he has quite a couple of choice words regarding Chechnya, I think the first time I heard that Putin orchestrated the 1999 bombings was from him. I don’t think he’s hated by 99.99% of Russians, though there’s doubtless a majority who are scared to even listen to people like him. In many cases because they would agree, and that’s dangerous.
Wrong question. The question is “what does either approach do to you”. I don’t believe I’ll see utopia in my lifetime, but at least I’ll be able to say that I walked in the right direction.
What crime, specifically, am I whitewashing or enabling? Speaking Russian in public in Kharkiv?
You don’t need to be a child to be fooled, or scared. Which is where education comes in, which you deny them. Don’t get me wrong I’m not demanding that you do it – if you don’t find it in you, if it’s too painful, then don’t. Just don’t argue against it.