You know if I hadn’t gone to real, actual college for politics and economics I might be swayed by your… argument style. For example you clearly don’t know the first stock exchange had stock only for the Dutch East India Company. So named because they were chartered by the Dutch Government. They were also one of the earliest Joint Stock Companies. And the time periods of Renaissance and Early Modern Era certainly aren’t in dispute.
You should also know that David Hume’s writings are available online. Funny thing is, as far as I can tell he didn’t use the word capitalism once. It’s kind of hard to write additions to an existing ideology without using it’s name. In fact Capitalism as a name is given in 1850, by Socialists who are attacking the system. Going back to Adam Smith and David Hume is because they were writing about changing the economic system, and their writings were largely adopted.
About ideologies needing popular approval, that’s kind of how that works. As much as they might wish it, philosophers cannot make an ideology a popular movement on a whim. And yeah, the wiki page cites a book review by The Economist, which talks about banking in Florence. and if Banking is it then we, again, have to go back to ancient Mesopotamia, and Capitalism has no definition because it always was and always will be. Don’t trust Wikipedia, just don’t. You’re always going to find some horrible stuff in the sources.
I said before that elements of Capitalism existed before the main ideology of it. Like any other ideology; economic, political, or personal, it stands on the shoulders of the systems that came before it.
He critiqued the system he was in. That economic system hasn’t changed until now. I don’t even know what to say to your rebuttal being that he didn’t coin the phrase. That was just sad to read.
Take it up with the universities you disagree with, as you seem to think you know better than them.
Its not just Wikipedia and you have shown yourself to know less than half of whats needed to attempt to correct them on this subject.
You just don’t like the origin of capitalism and that’s not the same as virtually all the universities and wiki being wrong and you being right, despite misusing basic terminology around the subject.
Also, no, even if it was just one kind of stock, a dedicated exchange wouldn’t be needed, if only one joint stock company existed. So, the idea that the creation of the first stock exchange happened at the same time as the whole idea is being birthed is just bizzare. The Dutch east India company was made in 1602 in which was the invention of share capital, hence that being when capitalism was starting.
Also also the stock exchange you mentioned existed before 1623, as there are bonds traded at that exchange recorded then. So, you’ve disagreed with yourself there.
Thats why we go with wiki and no just vibes. They should’ve taught you that at that college you went to.
Okay well you’re just literally making shit up about what I said now. Out of the two of us, I’m the only one who has shown any actual source material or evidenced any tracking of sources. You have obviously read the wiki, confused its ideological edit war as a university somehow, and are just resorting to ad hominems at this point.
If a university agrees with you in any more than the most general sense of elements of capitalism pre-existing Adam Smith please feel free to show us. They aren’t shy about leaving knowledge around for people to pick up and use. Otherwise stop being an ass. Nobody likes a confident ass much less one who’s just so wrong.
You literally think you know better than wiki, thinking you know better and confidently claimed so, despite misusing basic terminology around the subject. You commnet is nothing other than a lack of self awareness, drawing in irony.
You:
Which is when Adam Smith starts ranting about Mercantilism and he and David Hume are really cooking up Capitalism
Also you, the link you sent
Adam Smith is often identified as the father of modern capitalism. While accurate to some extent, this description is both overly simplistic
and dangerously misleading.
I’m embarrassed for you.
Nobody likes a confident ass much less one who’s just so wrong.
Exactly, take your own advice and fuck off and get your money back from that university.
Did… Did you read the whole link? Or just the snip the part that sounds like it supports your argument?
And yes, if you can’t do better than the wiki then you didn’t get a college education on a topic. It’s an encyclopedia, not a 4 year degree with several thousand hours of learning. And that’s when it’s working well. This article has been cut to shit by ideologues trying to revise history for their own benefit.
You thought you were going to show up here 3 weeks later and leave some kind of last word discrediting my education when I’m the one pulling the .edu links for you to look at. The fucking irony.
As you clearly read none of it, I only had to read the first part, as that disproved your nonsense straight away which can be seen by your own words and your own link.
I don’t need to do better than wiki. You haven’t disproven them. You just declared them to be shit, thinking your arrogance alone can refute what it says. You university should’ve taught you to actually quote specific parts of articles and not just link their entirety, declaring them to agree with you despite it disproving you within the first couple of sentences.
The edu link disproved you, instantly. So, that’s literally exactly what happened. Its not my fault you made a clown out of yourself by proving yourself wrong. I wish you hadn’t done it too. Its taken the sport out of it.
You know if I hadn’t gone to real, actual college for politics and economics I might be swayed by your… argument style. For example you clearly don’t know the first stock exchange had stock only for the Dutch East India Company. So named because they were chartered by the Dutch Government. They were also one of the earliest Joint Stock Companies. And the time periods of Renaissance and Early Modern Era certainly aren’t in dispute.
You should also know that David Hume’s writings are available online. Funny thing is, as far as I can tell he didn’t use the word capitalism once. It’s kind of hard to write additions to an existing ideology without using it’s name. In fact Capitalism as a name is given in 1850, by Socialists who are attacking the system. Going back to Adam Smith and David Hume is because they were writing about changing the economic system, and their writings were largely adopted.
About ideologies needing popular approval, that’s kind of how that works. As much as they might wish it, philosophers cannot make an ideology a popular movement on a whim. And yeah, the wiki page cites a book review by The Economist, which talks about banking in Florence. and if Banking is it then we, again, have to go back to ancient Mesopotamia, and Capitalism has no definition because it always was and always will be. Don’t trust Wikipedia, just don’t. You’re always going to find some horrible stuff in the sources.
I said before that elements of Capitalism existed before the main ideology of it. Like any other ideology; economic, political, or personal, it stands on the shoulders of the systems that came before it.
You should get your money back.
He critiqued the system he was in. That economic system hasn’t changed until now. I don’t even know what to say to your rebuttal being that he didn’t coin the phrase. That was just sad to read.
Take it up with the universities you disagree with, as you seem to think you know better than them.
Its not just Wikipedia and you have shown yourself to know less than half of whats needed to attempt to correct them on this subject.
You just don’t like the origin of capitalism and that’s not the same as virtually all the universities and wiki being wrong and you being right, despite misusing basic terminology around the subject.
Also, no, even if it was just one kind of stock, a dedicated exchange wouldn’t be needed, if only one joint stock company existed. So, the idea that the creation of the first stock exchange happened at the same time as the whole idea is being birthed is just bizzare. The Dutch east India company was made in 1602 in which was the invention of share capital, hence that being when capitalism was starting.
Also also the stock exchange you mentioned existed before 1623, as there are bonds traded at that exchange recorded then. So, you’ve disagreed with yourself there.
Thats why we go with wiki and no just vibes. They should’ve taught you that at that college you went to.
Okay well you’re just literally making shit up about what I said now. Out of the two of us, I’m the only one who has shown any actual source material or evidenced any tracking of sources. You have obviously read the wiki, confused its ideological edit war as a university somehow, and are just resorting to ad hominems at this point.
If a university agrees with you in any more than the most general sense of elements of capitalism pre-existing Adam Smith please feel free to show us. They aren’t shy about leaving knowledge around for people to pick up and use. Otherwise stop being an ass. Nobody likes a confident ass much less one who’s just so wrong.
You literally think you know better than wiki, thinking you know better and confidently claimed so, despite misusing basic terminology around the subject. You commnet is nothing other than a lack of self awareness, drawing in irony.
You:
Also you, the link you sent
I’m embarrassed for you.
Exactly, take your own advice and fuck off and get your money back from that university.
Did… Did you read the whole link? Or just the snip the part that sounds like it supports your argument?
And yes, if you can’t do better than the wiki then you didn’t get a college education on a topic. It’s an encyclopedia, not a 4 year degree with several thousand hours of learning. And that’s when it’s working well. This article has been cut to shit by ideologues trying to revise history for their own benefit.
You thought you were going to show up here 3 weeks later and leave some kind of last word discrediting my education when I’m the one pulling the .edu links for you to look at. The fucking irony.
As you clearly read none of it, I only had to read the first part, as that disproved your nonsense straight away which can be seen by your own words and your own link.
I don’t need to do better than wiki. You haven’t disproven them. You just declared them to be shit, thinking your arrogance alone can refute what it says. You university should’ve taught you to actually quote specific parts of articles and not just link their entirety, declaring them to agree with you despite it disproving you within the first couple of sentences.
The edu link disproved you, instantly. So, that’s literally exactly what happened. Its not my fault you made a clown out of yourself by proving yourself wrong. I wish you hadn’t done it too. Its taken the sport out of it.
Buddy. I did read it. Go back. Read it. Internalize it.