“… Long national nightmare…”. I think this guy likes his hyperbole. Trump, DOGE, and the rest of the current government? National nightmare. Russia attempting to invade Ukraine? National nightmare. Israel killing thousands of children in a bid to wipe out an entire populace? NATIONAL NIGHTMARE. This guy needs to visit reality more often.
Thought Epic isn’t entirely the good guy, this is great news for them and everyone else who’s been under Apples oppressive rules
Apple v Epic is like the Trump-Elon fight. Apple, like Trump, does more and lasting damage. Sweeny, like Elon, is somehow even more hate-able.
I don’t want either side to win, I want both sides to lose.
When the girls are fighting, I’m on team popcorn.
I’m so happy this other large company which wants to embed itself as a storefront and soak up fees won against the other large company which was already doing it.
Like, genuinely I am, but Epic isn’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Epic/Sweeney is mostly sad they didn’t have the monopoly first.
ask any game dev if they’re happy Epic won this battle? If they say no then they’ve never tried to release a game on a marketplace. This is a huge win for developers.
I am a dev. I said I’m glad they won. Epic still sucks, though.
so am i. And I’ll agree epic sucks in some ways, sweeney in more, but they also provide a relatively awesome toolset. i think epic has gotten a lot of undue hate just for having a marketplace seperate from steam - but steam has been exploiting devs for a long ass time too.
Now Epic can finally install their own payment system, bypassing Apple’s parental controls, and little Timmy can just enter the details from mommy’s credit card when Epic gets him addicted to
gamblingloot boxes.Such a win for consumers.
We have laws to protect children, no other companies: we need laws that hit hard companies that don’t respect people (and other companies)'s rights.
We have laws to protect children
Hahaha, good one.
we need laws that hit hard companies that don’t respect people (and other companies)'s rights.
In the US? That’s not going to happen. The US is run by corporations.
Who cares? It’s a win for everyone.
Biggest disappointment is that it took a rich twat to twist the government’s arm and do what should’ve done 10 years ago.
Give Tim Sweeney lots of money? Why would the government do that?
…why would anyone do that?
I mean, it’s what you’re celebrating.
You can make some vague claims that it’s going to be good for small businesses and independent developers… but realistically it’s only going to pad the pockets of the already rich. Any benefit to anyone else is going to be negligible.
I mean, it’s what you’re celebrating.
I don’t even know what money you’re talking about. Hard to celebrate that.
realistically it’s only going to pad the pockets of the already rich
…you mean Apple? No. It will benefit literally everyone else.
… do you think Apple is the only highly successful company in the world? There’s tons of others… like Epic.
I don’t even know what money you’re talking about. Hard to celebrate that.
At least you admit to your ignorance, that’s the first step to actually knowing what the hell you’re talking about :)
The only business who is losing anything here is Apple.
Literally anyone else, including your solo dev kid cousin, who just made his first game, wins from this
do you think Apple is the only highly successful company in the world?
No just one of the most profitable in the world.
There’s tons of others… like Epic.
Epic is not “successful”, by any standard.
that’s the first step to actually knowing what the hell you’re talking about
I know exactly what I’m talking about. I just don’t know what you’re talking about.
What a dumb bar to judge them by. Not a single entity with an interest in fighting this fight would be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts
They did a good thing but I still get to judge them for ultimately being greedy.
Okay now he should be able to afford developers to make all their games on Epic SteamDeck-compatible, right?
Epic literally cannot even bother, they handed Linux to valve on a golden platter
Steam takes just as big a cut as Apple
But UE already supports Linux export and when Epic bought EAC the first thing they did was give it Linux support so they have already done what you asked
Unless you’re talking about Fortnite
Yes, Steam takes a cut as well. But the crux of the argument is the monopoly part. You can distribute your game outside of steam - on other app stores, or sell it directly to customers if you want. On iOS, there is literally no other distribution channel. You have to pay Apple and use their thing. That’s the difference.
That’s the legal argument
The person I replied to was asking if Epic would port everyone’s game to Linux because of the IOS cost savings, when Steam takes the same cut it actually is all that matters in that argument
The size of the cut is what they use for the appeal to the public to build their social narrative, but legally/economically speaking it’s not really the problem. The problem is that Apple effectively forbids developers from having any other mechanism to transact with customers except through their marketplace where they take the 30% cut, hence the lawsuit being about monopolistic practices, not the amount they’re charging.
Valve handles things completely differently. Sure, listing on the Steam store requires giving Valve a 30% cut of the purchase price, but Steam doesn’t demand a 30% cut of any and all transactions that happen within or related to the game like Apple does. You also don’t have to buy a game from the Steam store to load it and launch it from the Steam client. And Proton works with a lot more games and applications than just those on the Steam store.
The fact that the two companies charge a similar price for a single relatively similar business case oversimplifies a lot of how the two companies operate.
Wine you mean
Proton is mostly just Wine with the Steam Launcher
But that has nothing to do with supporting Linux, it exists for people who don’t support Linux
And the discussion was being able to afford supporting it so the cut very much matters
I think they probably mean having a launcher that installs on Linux and games that don’t need tweaking to run on Linux. Like Steam does it.
Unless you’re talking about Fortnite
Another excellent point.
Heroic already fills the first part
Heroic is not made by Epic. We’re talking about first class first-party support. And Heroic doesn’t work very well either.
We don’t want first party support
Stores are stores
Launchers are launchers
Communities are communities
Software works when it is specialized and leaves open for others to build on
“We” very much do. I have no interest in spending my days debugging broken software.
Then you wouldn’t like steam on linux after various updates
Too bad (for him) Epic is still trash.
why is epic trash? I mean yes, sweeney sucks balls, but why EPIC trash?
Tim apple got cucked by Weaponized autism 🐸
Weaponized autism? You mean obscene Fortnite money?
