Peeing is also normal behavior. But it’s not normal if you have to pee every 30 minutes.
What’s with this new trend of invalidating ADHD and autism symptoms simply because you don’t experience it to a degree that impacts your quality of life?
ADHD and autism don’t have one specific symptom. It’s a thousand little things that drive you insane from having to conform to neurotypical behavior.
Let patients share their experiences without normalizing and invalidating their condition.
It’s always ‘everyone has ADHD these days’ just like how people day 'everyone is LGBTQ these days. It’s never ‘underserved and underdiagnosed ADHD patients are finally getting recognition these days’.
Boys are 16x more likely to get an ADHD diagnosis than girls. The vast majority of backlash against ADHD patients on social media are against women and PoC who are finally speaking out against the medical neglect. Women traditionally present different symptoms because girls are punished more heavily for exhibiting ADHD behaviors than boys are. Same goes for autism.
Remember that a lack of diagnosis does not indicate the lack of ADHD and autism. Modern medicine is rife with systemic inequality. Undiagnosed ADHD and autism patients are frequently penalized and not rewarding for concealing their symptoms. The more effort they put into concealing them, the more heavily criticized they are for ‘faking’ it.
I see you guys are taking this way too seriously so ok… I’m not invalidating anything, and for that matter I haven’t noticed any such trend in media either.
In fact, I would go as far as to say that attributing “normal” behaviors to ADHD and autism is ultimately what invalidates these conditions.
My initial comment stemmed from me seeing meme after meme about ADHD and being like, wait I’m like that too, maybe I have it. But then as this trend goes on I observed that most of the people I know also have - to some degree - most symptoms mentioned in said memes.
In short I bet if one were to base the description of ADHD on the memes going round, most people could get a positive diagnosis.
My personal opinion is that this has to do with societal expectations when it comes to education and employment as they have developed over the last couple of decades.
We are slowly recognizing that our capitalist way of life with its pursuit of infinitely increasing productivity is not in line with human nature thus we’re “creating” this condition that somehow everyone is suffering from to attribute feelings of inadequacy.
Adhd in particular is a very “everyone can relate, only people with adhd have their lives crippled by it” thing. To some degree this applies to many mental disorders (e.g. everyone has some anxiety).
The need to know why is clearly not a normal thing or I wouldnt have had the frequent experience of people getting mad at me for demanding the why or, which is still utterly confusing to me, for explaining the why when asking someone to do something.
Usually when it’s things that are “socially expected” but don’t make sense to me in that moment. Like being asked to wait with eating food until everyone has some (still don’t really get it, but “it’s a social norm and people will feel bad” is sufficient for adult me since it’s really nbd. As a kid no one even explained that far though, just that it’a a thing you do because you do.).
In general as an adult its been pretty rare since I’ve learned it’s not worth the effort (and whatever if it makes people happy then cool), and if I really don’t wanna do something I consider pointless (like wearing a suit - which I’d first have to buy - to a wedding in 30° heat as someone who is already very uncomfortable in shorts and t shirt in 22°) people are more likely to respect it because they can’t really force me anymore.
I do think the more common one (that still happens a bunch) is when providing the why, or more generally when providing extra information. It seems to me people often assume I’m overly criticizing when I do that. Like “can you add this thing to the sheet I think it’d be helpful when <3 sentences of the context in which I think it’s good to have>” tends to get worse reactions than “can you add this thing to the sheet I think it’d be helpful”.
So same as the food thing, maybe it’s more about wanting far more detailed explanations than about wanting one at all. But to me the less detailed one often doesn’t feel like a real explanation, moreso a justification.
What’s with this new trend to label normal behavior as somehow related to ADHD or autism?
That’s always been around.
Another example: having enough interest & focus to get good at something difficult.
When someone suggests that isn’t normal (rather than a natural result of persistent effort & willpower), it really indicates to me a shortcoming in whoever believes that (why don’t they think they could do the same if they seriously tried? are they a moron?).
Then there is also the whole “it isn’t the trait itself being an autistic trait, it is the compulsion of that trait that is an autistic trait”
Nearly everyone has curiosity, yes, but it is a common autistic trait to have a compulsive need for that information in order for them to function properly. That is what makes it an autistic trait.
and who the fuck are you to determine what is or isn’t better? Piss off.
Also, it’s just a factual statement. The vast majority of people are morons; the vast majority of people are also NT; ipso facto: the vast majority of NT are morons.
What’s with this new trend to label normal behavior as somehow related to ADHD or autism? Only morons don’t want to know why ffs
Peeing is also normal behavior. But it’s not normal if you have to pee every 30 minutes.
What’s with this new trend of invalidating ADHD and autism symptoms simply because you don’t experience it to a degree that impacts your quality of life?
ADHD and autism don’t have one specific symptom. It’s a thousand little things that drive you insane from having to conform to neurotypical behavior.
Let patients share their experiences without normalizing and invalidating their condition.
It’s always ‘everyone has ADHD these days’ just like how people day 'everyone is LGBTQ these days. It’s never ‘underserved and underdiagnosed ADHD patients are finally getting recognition these days’.
Boys are 16x more likely to get an ADHD diagnosis than girls. The vast majority of backlash against ADHD patients on social media are against women and PoC who are finally speaking out against the medical neglect. Women traditionally present different symptoms because girls are punished more heavily for exhibiting ADHD behaviors than boys are. Same goes for autism.
Remember that a lack of diagnosis does not indicate the lack of ADHD and autism. Modern medicine is rife with systemic inequality. Undiagnosed ADHD and autism patients are frequently penalized and not rewarding for concealing their symptoms. The more effort they put into concealing them, the more heavily criticized they are for ‘faking’ it.
I see you guys are taking this way too seriously so ok… I’m not invalidating anything, and for that matter I haven’t noticed any such trend in media either. In fact, I would go as far as to say that attributing “normal” behaviors to ADHD and autism is ultimately what invalidates these conditions. My initial comment stemmed from me seeing meme after meme about ADHD and being like, wait I’m like that too, maybe I have it. But then as this trend goes on I observed that most of the people I know also have - to some degree - most symptoms mentioned in said memes. In short I bet if one were to base the description of ADHD on the memes going round, most people could get a positive diagnosis. My personal opinion is that this has to do with societal expectations when it comes to education and employment as they have developed over the last couple of decades. We are slowly recognizing that our capitalist way of life with its pursuit of infinitely increasing productivity is not in line with human nature thus we’re “creating” this condition that somehow everyone is suffering from to attribute feelings of inadequacy.
Adhd in particular is a very “everyone can relate, only people with adhd have their lives crippled by it” thing. To some degree this applies to many mental disorders (e.g. everyone has some anxiety).
The need to know why is clearly not a normal thing or I wouldnt have had the frequent experience of people getting mad at me for demanding the why or, which is still utterly confusing to me, for explaining the why when asking someone to do something.
I suppose context is important in the needing to know why. Can you give an example of a time someone got mad?
Usually when it’s things that are “socially expected” but don’t make sense to me in that moment. Like being asked to wait with eating food until everyone has some (still don’t really get it, but “it’s a social norm and people will feel bad” is sufficient for adult me since it’s really nbd. As a kid no one even explained that far though, just that it’a a thing you do because you do.).
In general as an adult its been pretty rare since I’ve learned it’s not worth the effort (and whatever if it makes people happy then cool), and if I really don’t wanna do something I consider pointless (like wearing a suit - which I’d first have to buy - to a wedding in 30° heat as someone who is already very uncomfortable in shorts and t shirt in 22°) people are more likely to respect it because they can’t really force me anymore.
I do think the more common one (that still happens a bunch) is when providing the why, or more generally when providing extra information. It seems to me people often assume I’m overly criticizing when I do that. Like “can you add this thing to the sheet I think it’d be helpful when <3 sentences of the context in which I think it’s good to have>” tends to get worse reactions than “can you add this thing to the sheet I think it’d be helpful”.
So same as the food thing, maybe it’s more about wanting far more detailed explanations than about wanting one at all. But to me the less detailed one often doesn’t feel like a real explanation, moreso a justification.
That’s always been around. Another example: having enough interest & focus to get good at something difficult. When someone suggests that isn’t normal (rather than a natural result of persistent effort & willpower), it really indicates to me a shortcoming in whoever believes that (why don’t they think they could do the same if they seriously tried? are they a moron?).
The vast VAST majority of NT are morons.
Then there is also the whole “it isn’t the trait itself being an autistic trait, it is the compulsion of that trait that is an autistic trait”
Nearly everyone has curiosity, yes, but it is a common autistic trait to have a compulsive need for that information in order for them to function properly. That is what makes it an autistic trait.
This type of ignorant prejudice is truly moronic and it’s really unfortunate how prevalent it is in this thread.
Cry me a river and then float down it.
Be a better person.
and who the fuck are you to determine what is or isn’t better? Piss off.
Also, it’s just a factual statement. The vast majority of people are morons; the vast majority of people are also NT; ipso facto: the vast majority of NT are morons.
Not factual, no. The vast majority of people are average, by definition.
No one really, just a person with a general aversion to bigots. Continue being shitty, I guess.
“NT”?
Neurotypical, meaning not neurodivergent. They think that everyone who isn’t like them is a moron. Sounds just like every other bigot tbh.