sources who usually have a vested interest in the continuation of capitalism
cool ad hominem & appeal to unreliable authority fallacies. truth doesn’t ultimately rely on authority, but their arguments, so it comes down to evaluating their arguments directly.
if so, then their conclusions are true.
if you’re only going by authority when an argument is provided & facts can be verified, then you’re vibe-thinking.
Though life expectancy increased during Mao Zedong (from 41 to 61.2 years), it didn’t double.
GDP per capita was mostly flat (modest growth from €733 to €1017 in purchasing power parity) during Mao Zedong & took off only later.
The criminal justice system seems more than capable. Mass murder & a hierarchy of uncontrolled government power/authority to abuse individual liberties aren’t necessary.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy
ie, not an economic philosophy.
liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty.
Primarily about individual freedom.
I saw an extremely revelatory post on lemmy.ml on some kind of math principle with an objectively accurate answer (with a pretty straightforward proof of that answer included), and the comments were full of people presenting the wrong answer and arguing why, using exactly the same super-confident presentation and style of “resonant but empty” argumentation that they use when they talk about politics.
It’d be cool if you could find that. Seems interesting.
It’s possible for someone to study the spectrum of political ideology and rationally decide that Communism is the best system.
Seems you’re assuming all communists are tankies, when they wrote about communist nations, ie, communist states which are all some variety of Marxism-Leninism, not general communism. Who’s being reductive here?
random fan
Are they a fan?
It’s pretty easy: is there conclusive evidence? Corollary: can you successfully eliminate conclusive evidence?
That almost works, except critics of western propaganda exist everywhere especially in academia & intelligentsia. The west doesn’t try to suppress them. So why out of everyone, those guys with a salient agenda over the critics without a discernable one?
According to these guys, they’re a CIA strawman operation.
Other than that, it may have started with “I’m 13 and this is deep” and persisted with ideological thinking. 🤷
The common denominator of liberalism is the core liberal philosophy of universal individual rights & liberties, consent of the governed (governments exist for the people who have a right to change & replace them, & authority is legitimate only when it protects those liberties), political & legal equality. US modern liberalism primarily refers to social liberalism & progressivism. Liberalism elsewhere often refers to classical liberalism which more closely corresponds to US libertarianism.
American versus European usage of liberalism
Colloquially, liberalism is used differently, in its primary use in different countries. In the United States the general term liberalism almost always refers to modern liberalism. There are some parties in Europe which nominally appeal to social liberalism, with the Beveridge Group faction within the Liberal Democrats, the Danish Social Liberal Party, the Democratic Movement, and the Italian Republican Party. One of the greatest contrasts is between the usage in the United States and usage in Europe and Latin America. According to Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. (writing in 1956), “[l]iberalism in the American usage has little in common with the word as used in the politics of any European country, save possibly Britain.” In Europe, liberalism usually means what is sometimes called classical liberalism, a commitment to limited government, laissez-faire economics. This classical liberalism sometimes more closely corresponds to the American definition of libertarianism, although some distinguish between classical liberalism and libertarianism.
What constitutes a liberal party is highly debatable. In the list below, it is defined as a political party that adheres to the basic principles of political liberalism. This is a broad political current, including left-wing, centrist and right-wing elements. All liberal parties emphasise individual rights, but they differ in their opinion on an active role for the state. This list includes parties of different character, ranging from classical liberalism to social liberalism, conservative liberalism to national liberalism.
Several conservative and/or Christian-democratic parties, such as the British Conservative Party, Germany’s Christian Democratic Union and Spain’s People’s Party, are also considered to be neoliberal leaning or have strong liberal conservative and/or classical liberal factions, whereas some conservative parties, such as Poland’s Law and Justice and Hungary’s Fidesz, favour more state intervention but also support free-market solutions. Conversely, some social-democratic parties, such as the British Labour Party and the Italian Democratic Party, include liberal elements. Social liberalism and social conservatism are not mutually exclusive, and some parties espouse socially liberal economic policies, while maintaining more socially conservative or traditionalist views on society: examples of this include Finland’s Centre Party (see also Nordic agrarian parties) and Ireland’s Fianna Fáil, both members of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe Party (ALDE Party). In the United States, the two major political forces, the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, are to some extent, liberal (see Liberalism in the United States and Modern liberalism in the United States).
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Not all the parties using the “Liberal” or “Freedom” labels are actually liberal. Moreover, some parties, such as the Freedom Party of Austria, were originally liberal, but have since tilted toward a populist direction and abandoned most of the tenets of liberalism. Finally, some parties, such as the United States Republican Party, Australia’s Liberal Party or Norway’s Progress Party are liberal mainly from an economic point of view rather than a social point of view (see economic liberalism, libertarianism and right-libertarianism).
The reason forests are still being cut down and CO2 is still being emitted isn’t because industrial civilization requires it, but because capitalism requires it.
Weird to pin a general economic issue on capitalism when it’s more of a general issue with economic growth as history corroborates. Production functions—the dependence on factors of production including natural resources to produce output—work the same regardless of economic system: more is needed to produce more.
Central planning economies can be as or more destructive than the more capitalist ones: type of economy seems to have little bearing there. The USSR aggressively industrialized & would consistently pursue economic growth (to raise standards of living). It comes up in the Soviet constitution of 1977:
Despite their command economy, their pollution was disproportionately worse than the US’s
Total emissions in the USSR in 1988 were about 79% of the US total. Considering that the Soviet GNP was only some 54% of that of the USA, this means that the Soviet Union generated 1.5 times more pollution than the USA per unit of GNP.
Their planners considered pollution control
unnecessary hindrance to economic development and industrialization
and
By the 1990s, 40% of Russia’s territory began demonstrating symptoms of significant ecological stress, largely due to a diverse number of environmental issues, including deforestation, energy irresponsibility, pollution, and nuclear waste.
And this generously glosses over the extent of water contamination, hazardous dumping of toxic & nuclear waste into oceans, etc.
The dependence on natural resources, capacity for environmental destruction, and demand for economic growth are not particular to any type of economy: they’re general. Wherever an economy recklessly grows without environmental protections, the environment is ruined.
It was implied by the parent comment they were responding to when it brought up trading non-monetary things.
Is the lack of reading comprehension (here & here) willful?
Are you arguing against a medium of exchange? Bartering is just less efficient trading.
A medium of exchange is entirely unrelated to profit that bartering still enables.
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So, are tankies a CIA operation?
They call them breast cancer awareness walks/runs, not support campaigns or fundraisers. Campaigns for the latter would be a good idea as soon as they nail down awareness. 🙃
This is solved by raising awareness and education
Not sure that’s possible. Despite decades of trying, they continue running marathons everywhere for raising awareness of breast cancer, because apparently people still aren’t aware. If it hasn’t worked for breast cancer, then how will it work for water? Giving up on humanity might be the best move here.
Exposure therapy: nuke yourself a few times. Your anxiety will vanish.