• Lemminary@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    If you want to go down the path of defeatism without putting up a fight, then yeah. Go fulfil your prophecy.

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      13 hours ago

      Spades are broken. Die is cast. Etc.

      This country might limp along for a few decades. But the USA as we knew it is dead. Do you really think Chump is the only fascist with aspirations that big? Do you think the Heritage Foundation goes away when the One Big Beautiful Obituary finally drops? Do you think they won’t try again? Do you think MAGA won’t enthusiastically leap at the next swaggering fascist?

      Our institutions are not built to withstand such direct assault. The intentional dismantling we’ve been seeing. The regulatory, legislative, legal, and economic capture that has occurred. If it isn’t a strongman it’ll be some businessman who isn’t a failure. One with big Corp backing.

      The sheer momentum of the dollar and power of US financialization will keep things going. The branding will remain. But little if anything will stop our continuing decline. Saying nothing of the damage done internationally. Geopolitically. The US can never be trusted on anything ever again longer than a 4 year timetable because at any time we could elect another used car salesman or failed gameshow host who wants to be a dictator.

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        12 hours ago

        I’m sorry, who’s saying the US will go back to what it once was? If you want to lay down and die, go right ahead, but do it on your own time.

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          12 hours ago

          I’m tired. I would prefer immediate collapse to slow decline. It is going down. Sooner or later. Damage done. Which is not something I lament in itself. This is an evil country that has done incalculable harm to the world. The passing of the US wont be mourned by anyone who’s opinion is worthy of respect.

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            12 hours ago

            What I don’t understand is why you have to try to drag everyone else down with you, and that makes you sound like you’re already “mourning the country”. Like I said, if you’re tired, you go ahead and lie down on your own, please.

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              12 hours ago

              I am just as powerless to stop any of this as you are. You go be poppy and exuberant for the both of us. Good luck to you.

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                12 hours ago

                Yeah, we’re relatively powerless individually, but not collectively, and you seem keen on preventing that from happening at all. There are judges overturning decisions, we got apps tracking ICE, there are mass protests happening outside, we got people helping others survive. There is a large push back, and we need more of it, not less. It’s mind-boggling that your immediate stance is why bother doing anything at all, and you seem to be pulling all the stops to justify it. If you won’t help, at least stop being a negative Nancy for those who will. We’re all doing our part, even if you’re not.

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      14 hours ago

      lol putting up a fight? who is doing that? Muricans jumped from “too lazy to vote via mail” to “we need to get guns” to “when somebdy fixes this…” as if they think that would happen in their lifetime

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        12 hours ago

        Did you know that Republicans took it upon themselves to curb mail-in voting to prepare for the election and made it as hard as possible to do so in some states? And that many ballots were discarded for the most ridiculous reasons? And that there was a record turnout at the latest election, but for some reason, electronic ballots were discarded?

        You can call people lazy all you want but that doesn’t reflect reality.

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            6 hours ago

            Are we? That’s news to me. I get out to vote and protest every chance I get. But I don’t see a shortage of people like you who want everyone to do just that.

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              I want you to stand up, go on a general strike, paralize your country until fascism stops… as it is, we are all suffering because of you

              Nothing would make me happy than to be proven wrong.

              ps: complaining online and marching on Sundays is sitting down and taking it

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                Oh yeah let me just tap into my trust fund to survive the presumably year or more it would take “until fascism stops.” That’s the problem with you people, in reality no action taken is ever good enough so in effect you’re just another fatalistic asswipe.

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                Sure, bud. And what do you suggest people do, then?What’s your big plan for the American people? Lay down and die? Lose hope and let the fascists steamroll over them? How is that any better? I’m not hearing anything but negativity from you.

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                  And what do you suggest people do

                  dude I just laid it out for you:

                  go on a general strike, paralize your country until fascism stops…

                  and about this

                  I’m not hearing anything but negativity from you.

                  grow up bud, I’m not here to cheer you up. Youeas a collective really fucked up, now it’s time to nut/ovary up and fix it

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                    And you’re suggesting that because that has worked before? For a population that’s largely living paycheck to paycheck? The thing about fascism creeping in is that you still need to go to work every day and do your little tasks so you can survive.

                    I’ve looked at several sites and they all focus on one thing: building a coalition. You only get that by demonstrating it openly and getting people on your side. Because despite what you believe, the protests aren’t all for the fascists, but for the other people who haven’t gotten on board yet. And you need a catalyst, with defiance and force. You do things, not stand around and wait for it to be over.

                    grow up bud, I’m not here to gheer you up.

                    Oh no, you’re actively “gheering” people down and what’s my whole beef with these damn comments.