If you guys think we’re getting a truth and reconciliation hearing after this administration, then you have too much faith in the dead institutions which led to Trump’s election. The United States is over, after this. 100 years from now it will be obvious in hindsight
If you guys think we’re getting a truth and reconciliation hearing after this administration, then you have too much faith in the dead institutions which led to Trump’s election. The United States is over, after this. 100 years from now it will be obvious in hindsight
Oh, it’s never going back the way it was.
This is clearly fascism, those are clearly concentration camps, and that’s the Gestapo running around.
You don’t just walk that back.
I mean, Germany is doing alright these days from what I understand.
Because in exchange for ruining Europe they were given massive investments from the US. But now that the boom is over the Nazis are back to being trendy. Germans are the most shameless people I’ve seen when it comes to racism, it’s quite astonishing
If you want to go down the path of defeatism without putting up a fight, then yeah. Go fulfil your prophecy.
Spades are broken. Die is cast. Etc.
This country might limp along for a few decades. But the USA as we knew it is dead. Do you really think Chump is the only fascist with aspirations that big? Do you think the Heritage Foundation goes away when the One Big Beautiful Obituary finally drops? Do you think they won’t try again? Do you think MAGA won’t enthusiastically leap at the next swaggering fascist?
Our institutions are not built to withstand such direct assault. The intentional dismantling we’ve been seeing. The regulatory, legislative, legal, and economic capture that has occurred. If it isn’t a strongman it’ll be some businessman who isn’t a failure. One with big Corp backing.
The sheer momentum of the dollar and power of US financialization will keep things going. The branding will remain. But little if anything will stop our continuing decline. Saying nothing of the damage done internationally. Geopolitically. The US can never be trusted on anything ever again longer than a 4 year timetable because at any time we could elect another used car salesman or failed gameshow host who wants to be a dictator.
I’m sorry, who’s saying the US will go back to what it once was? If you want to lay down and die, go right ahead, but do it on your own time.
I’m tired. I would prefer immediate collapse to slow decline. It is going down. Sooner or later. Damage done. Which is not something I lament in itself. This is an evil country that has done incalculable harm to the world. The passing of the US wont be mourned by anyone who’s opinion is worthy of respect.
What I don’t understand is why you have to try to drag everyone else down with you, and that makes you sound like you’re already “mourning the country”. Like I said, if you’re tired, you go ahead and lie down on your own, please.
I am just as powerless to stop any of this as you are. You go be poppy and exuberant for the both of us. Good luck to you.
Yeah, we’re relatively powerless individually, but not collectively, and you seem keen on preventing that from happening at all. There are judges overturning decisions, we got apps tracking ICE, there are mass protests happening outside, we got people helping others survive. There is a large push back, and we need more of it, not less. It’s mind-boggling that your immediate stance is why bother doing anything at all, and you seem to be pulling all the stops to justify it. If you won’t help, at least stop being a negative Nancy for those who will. We’re all doing our part, even if you’re not.
lol putting up a fight? who is doing that? Muricans jumped from “too lazy to vote via mail” to “we need to get guns” to “when somebdy fixes this…” as if they think that would happen in their lifetime
Did you know that Republicans took it upon themselves to curb mail-in voting to prepare for the election and made it as hard as possible to do so in some states? And that many ballots were discarded for the most ridiculous reasons? And that there was a record turnout at the latest election, but for some reason, electronic ballots were discarded?
You can call people lazy all you want but that doesn’t reflect reality.
Personally I can’t picture an ICE agent that is anticipating a regime change within their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
Personally I can’t picture an ICE agent that is anticipating a regime change within their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
There is a very specific reason that ICE agents and other collaborators strive to hide their identities.
They would not feel the need to do so if they believed, deep down where it counts, that they were on the right side of history, and that the regime will last indefinitely.
I don’t think they’re that introspective. Pretty sure they all think “this is so anteefuh can’t find out who I am and kidnap muh kids”. Action hero delusions
Every single person who fears anti fascism deserves death. Full stop. President, House, Senate, ICE, janitor. No exceptions.
I don’t think they’re that introspective. Pretty sure they all think “this is so anteefuh can’t find out who I am and kidnap muh kids”. Action hero delusions
Most will be too stupid, and will be the ones using I Was Just Following Orders as their defense.
Neither did the S.S.
A paralel that I’m sure they both openly embrace, and which is also completely lost on them.
I hope the parallels follow with ICE hunters who dedicate their lives identifying all of them.
When will the regime fall? Can we please just skip to the end now!
It won’t be falling via a peaceful transfer of power. Voters made sure of that. However it happens, it will be violent.
Shenanigans. This is fear mongering and will just lead to people not bothering to vote.
murican excessive self centeredness already took care of that
And god forbid we try and learn from that and do better, amirite?
You know I’ve had this feeling for a long time. But I really have it now.
Look at everything going on, everything he’s doing. If AOC (arbitrary example, but he’ll call any Democrat a “radical marxist” through the entire campaign no matter who it is) is elected in 2028, will he and his handlers go “well, at least it will take them a long time to unfuck things?” No, there’s no way that happens.
Maybe we’ll get an honest election and maybe we’ll learn the results of it. I don’t think he leaves in Jan 2029 without a fight no matter who wins, unless it’s Vance, and maybe not even then.
And to be clear, there’s no way the Dems will run AOC or anyone like her. We’ll probably get someone even further right than Kamala or Biden since it seems to be Republican votes they actually want now.
I only have hope for 2028 actually resulting in Trump no longer being president if the cheeseburgers take him before then, or the 2026 midterms are not only a blue wave, but also entirely above board and free of shenanigans.
And to be clear, there’s no way the Dems will run AOC or anyone like her. We’ll probably get someone even further right than Kamala or Biden since it seems to be Republican votes they actually want now.
FYI, the progressives won the last DNC election. The old guard no longer calls the shots, which is why they are getting more & more desperate to try to appear that they are still calling the shots.
I’ve heard this.
The reality is there will be no blue wave in the mid terms. Image and think on that and how fucked we might be…
We’re getting my family ready to leave if the ‘26 elections aren’t fair and a blue wave. If my fellow morons haven’t figured it out by next year there’s not going to me anything left to fight with besides our quite fragile lives.
Unless we win the lottery or my long lost cousin from somewhereelseistan calls to let me know they’ve got a spot for us, we’re sheltering in place unfortunately.
The regime won’t just fall. It’ll need people to make it fall, and I haven’t seen enough people stepping up to make that happen. Americans are still too passive, thinking that waving signs around one day a few weeks ago will overthrow a fascist. It’s a start, but nowhere near the end.
I honestly fear the US will be a fascist dictatorship for the rest of my life and beyond. North Korea has been a fascist dictatorship all my life
It’s a possibility. People need to wake up and realize the seriousness of what’s happening. And they are waking up. I’m just not sure if it’s quick enough.
No. Some Americans still haven’t learned their lesson.
How much blood must be spilled for America to learn its lesson?
3.5% of the population
No idea but there are still far too many Americans that support the current government and their actions.
No, too late for that. Now we need to go through the part with all the violence and the living envying the dead.
Or for a promotion right now if they find out any of their peers have any family of hired help that are immigrants. Why wait?
Or for a promotion right now if they find out any of their peers have any family of hired help that are immigrants. Why wait?
Yes. Collecting evidence such as this, such that when the regime falls, the person who earned that promotion through betrayal would not be able to escape justice easily.
You’ve provided an excellent example of who I’d collect as much data as humanly possible on.
I mean if you’re putting yourself in an ice officers shoes, I already can’t really get there in my mind.
I need about 5kg of zofran or a toilet with a fat pipe in fro!t of me and an electrolyte IV, but it’s doable
I mean if you’re putting yourself in an ice officers shoes, I already can’t really get there in my mind.
Whatever helps you slide past the point I’m making.
Don’t blow their cover
Don’t blow their cover
It’s a tough call.
If enough paranoia can be generated within ICE, the more resources they’ll need to divert to internal investigations, and the less effective they’ll be while still having power.
Makes sense
He just said dont blow their cover…
I don’t see the good in C.Y.A. When doing the damage right now… after all the horrors they get to snitch to try to dodge accountability, how expected of them.
some ice agents are better criminals than others.
Nope.
Nope.
As in nope, none of them are smart enough, or nope, they place loyalty to each other over self-interest?
As in nope thinking the regime is going to fall is just copium hopium
As in nope thinking the regime is going to fall is just copium hopium
Refresh my memory. How long were they boasting that the Third Reich would last?
There are many counterexamples to the third reich. China and Russia have been police states for a long time, with no end in sight.
Both Russia and China have long histories of centralized authority.
Most western powers have been comparatively short lived, constantly expanding and fragmenting into new power structures. That includes the US, which has always had back and a forth infighting between state level and federal powers. I give the current regime a decade more (they have been building up for decades) due to speed running the few things they could use to placate the populace into the ground.
The government of Francisco Franco lasted 40-50 years
You may be right… I just wish I could be as optimistic as you are. The political opposition to Trump’s changes is very, very weak, and with all the money ICE has now, I’m afraid any popular movement will be swiftly repressed.
Let’s hope US citizens are as resilient as they believe they are.
They said they would be guardians of power for a thousand generations. The reich lasted 12 years. So given that it’s this year theyre going full nazi, you can expect them out in 2037.
They said they would be guardians of power for a thousand generations. The reich lasted 12 years.
So they lasted less than a thousandth of the length of time that they chipped about.
Therefore, we should always disregard the boasting of fascists.
So given that it’s this year theyre going full nazi, you can expect them out in 2037.
There are parallels, but Hitler wasn’t an elderly incontinent man with dementia. While both men are fucking idiots, one of them had functioning short term memory, and was able to not shit himself.
Also, have you given any sort of thought to how many firearms are floating out there in civilian hands?
Hitler wasn’t an elderly incontinent man with dementia. While both men are fucking idiots, one of them had functioning short term memory, and was able to not shit himself.
Trump isn’t the source of fascism in the us, he’s just the face of it.
Also, have you given any sort of thought to how many firearms are floating out there in civilian hands?
Who are they going to shoot? Are they going to walk around town asking strangers if they’re nazis?
It’s as though you’re attempting to fulfill a brief:
Discourage pushback against the Trump regime at all costs. Amplifying the idea that resistance is futile.
I see you.
While I share your pessimism, I also know that some of these dudes are just scared to lose their job. I’m not saying that they are innocent just that they are in the same boat we all are with our jobs. If I got fired I’d be bankrupt in a month if not less. I’m sure there are plenty of ICE that we don’t see that are freaking the fuck out. The only ones we see in clips online are the ones that will immediately volunteer when asked if they want to go arrest some brown people.
And to reiterate, that does not make these guys innocent. They are complacent and watching this happen without lifting a finger to help. The “just following orders” crowd, if you will.
“just following orders” wasn’t a valid excuse at Nuremberg, and it won’t be a valid excuse in 2028 in the Washington Trials.
Where are people getting this idea that there will ever be any type of trails for this? I’ve even seen some talking about the Hague, which is particularly laughable because the US has an invasion policy specifically regarding the Hague, predating Trump.
Where are people getting this idea that there will ever be any type of trails for this? I’ve even seen some talking about the Hague, which is particularly laughable because the US has an invasion policy specifically regarding the Hague, predating Trump.
I’d absolutely count on your attitude to be pervasive while I was collecting my cover-your-ass dirt on my co workers.
Their sense of invincibility would be vital for me throwing them under the bus.
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If i was one of the smarter ICE agents, I’d absolutely promote the helplessness you’re selling.
That way, the other agents are more likely to have their guards down while I compiled evidence.
Do you think their spouses, children, parents, neighbors know what they do? Do they just say “it’s classified” and pretend that they have a real job?
Do you think their spouses, children, parents, neighbors know what they do? Do they just say “it’s classified” and pretend that they have a real job?
There are no people who work for ICE with zero outsiders knowing what they do.
Interesting thought but I can’t see it.
Interesting thought but I can’t see it.
You’re an average guy, unemployed, and take a position with ICE. You see with your own eyes that there is near zero good going on. You see very bad things, and recognize that there is no way for this apparatus to go away quietly, given the lengths that they’ve gone through to keep outside eyes away from their concentration camps.
You feel imminent collapse.
Do you keep working like nothing is happening, or do you start thinking about how to avoid persecution?
Were there Nazis who did this?
Were there Nazis who did this?
No. They all stayed super duper loyal to each other when the heat was on.
They also took meticulous notes regardless (they’re German after all), which helped the Nuremberg prosecutors.
They also took meticulous notes regardless (they’re German after all), which helped the Nuremberg prosecutors.
It’d be smart to do the modern day equivalent, and scrape all the data possible.
With diligent data collection, an intrepid ICE agent would be able to escape mostly unscathed, if they were able to provide evidence to convict enough high value targets within ICE.
There are always individuals who put themselves first, even in completely horrible groups.
Presents lists, gets arrested anyways.
How do you think this will play out? They’re either going to get caught with it, or it’s useless when the regime collapses as they’ll likely be mostly dead anyways. It’s useless as long as the regime remains, and keeping it is a time bomb waiting to go off, and not just for you, you’re a risking your family and friends too.
Presents lists, gets arrested anyways.How do you think this will play out? They’re either going to get caught with it, or it’s useless when the regime collapses as they’ll likely be mostly dead anyways. It’s useless as long as the regime remains, and keeping it is a time bomb waiting to go off, and not just for you, you’re a risking your family and friends too.
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When the regime falls, maybe do everyone a solid and stay the fuck out of the way.
No you just seem to have rose coloured glasses.
How many people do you expect to be left to charge? They are suddenly going to realize they are the bad guys and lay their weapons down? Is this your assumption?
Also, you think they are just going to ignore the person complacency? Oh it’s great you killed a bunch of people and want to finger your neighbours, why didn’t you stop them during it?
This isn’t going to turn out positive for anyone trying to collect this information, unless you’re high up. The peons are just gonna get fucked in every situation.
No you just seem to have rose coloured glasses.
The Trump regime is in the middle of committing and attempting to accelerate crimes against humanity.
I anticipat the fall being anything but rosy.
How many people do you expect to be left to charge?
After the regime falls, the people left to charge will be entirely dependent on how well American citizens scrape ICE agent data.
They are suddenly going to realize they are the bad guys and lay their weapons down? Is this your assumption?
No. I think that they’ll haphazardly try to cover their tracks. See their current insistence on opacity to verify this.
Also, you think they are just going to ignore the person complacency? Oh it’s great you killed a bunch of people and want to finger your neighbours, why didn’t you stop them during it?This isn’t going to turn out positive for anyone trying to collect this information, unless you’re high up. The peons are just gonna get fucked in every situation.
I can’t follow the rest of your word salad. But my prediction is that the smart ones will throw the dumb ones under the bus to save their own skin.
You seem to be stuck with the mistaken belief that the Trump regime is going to stay in power for a long time.
You also don’t seem to grasp the concept that one can compile evidence and sit on it, until such time that it can be used to help get justice.
If you were an ICE agent, you’d be the one thrown under the bus, because you’d be oblivious to your coworkers collecting dirt on you.
