Is there a way to remove posts I’ve interacted with on piefed? Last time I used it, that option didn’t work.
I am so confused. A “sub” used to refer, on the old place, as a “sub-reddit”, but we do not have those here. Did you mean “community”?
(And as already covered, PieFed already has an implementation of this, so what is the “future” referring to there in that case?)
I mean in the form of subscribers like how Mastodon lets accounts transfer over their followers.
196 on blahaj tried that forcibly once, it did not go well for them.
Let’s just move a whole community to a new instance without asking!
You have to ask first.
You should (they however, did not🤪)
Repeating myself here, but the community migration tool on Piefed is somewhat incomplete. it only migrates posts and comments locally to the incoming instance its moving to. What is needed for proper community migration is the ability to all instances to recognise comment migration. And ideally, the automatic rerouting of all subscribers to the new community.
Effectively making communities modular. Much of this is outside Rimus power (due to the Fediverse still being most Lemmy, but one day… one day)
Upvoting bc relevance but I somewhat disagree. Many people left Reddit not just bc of ads or poor treatment of app devs but bc of issues regarding “ownership” of a record. If I say something, can Reddit train AI off of it, or make money off of it, without my consent (using Reddit automatically assumes consent, even retroactively).
So applying that same thinking process here, does anyone - not just Rimu but anyone - have the right to simply steal community content wholesale? And who would provide consent - just the current community mods? The past ones? Why wouldn’t the commentors have the right to do or not do what they wish with their own comments? Setting aside how difficult it would be to even implement such a thing - like if someone agrees to migrate their comment, but they were replying to someone else, and included a quote from them, then is consent automatically granted for those words?
It is a tricky subject. Perhaps importing the content in read-only mode is the best that could be hoped for, preserving a historical snapshot bc it is too difficult to import something wholesale, especially if not merely every provider of posts but also every single person that ever commented in a community may not have an account on the recipient server - like even if they have a PieFed one would it need to be on the precise exact instance as where the content is being migrated to?
And even more relevant, what if the recipient instance has different rules than the original? Like defederations? Rules about niceness or illegality of stuff (see e.g. Lemmy.world’s whole deal with piracy community). Importing an entire community and keeping it all “live” while simultaneously offering pass-through connections from the old to the new seems fraut with such difficulties. Might it not be better to make a hard break from the old, allowing a fresh start on the new? i.e. community migration is just a convenience feature, it was never meant to do all the things that you said.
Tbh I don’t have anything to do with PieFed’s codebase or policies or anything at all - I am just a user like you, sharing my unqualified opinion here:-). I hope it is useful to see this pushback against implementing what I interpreted your words to mean though.
So applying that same thinking process here, does anyone - not just Rimu but anyone - have the right to simply steal community content wholesale?
In my opinion this is a mindset issue. You are thinking of communities as integral parts of instances rather than modular concepts. In my mind, a community migration would be mutual and transparent. There could even be a “Community History” button somewhere in the sidebar that details its timeline if it has moved instances at any point. Instances could in theory ‘reject’ recognition of migration from all other instances or specific instances, but in a collaborative cross-instance setup - ideally I’d imagine most instances would be on-board as it benefits everyone. The purpose of being able to just shift instances like that, to such an extent, is to prevent them from having to completely restart if an instance (like lemm.ee) goes down, or if they find that they’re having disagreements with the instance administrators.
Lemm.ee shocked everyone, but the passage of time will lead to more instances slowly dropping and forcing their communities to find new homes. That isn’t a slight on the fediverse system, it’s just what will happen naturally as some instance owners just lose interest over time.
Why wouldn’t the commentors have the right to do or not do what they wish with their own comments?
I mean I don’t know why I would be bothered if my own comment history on “television” (for instance) suddenly publicly changes from [email protected] to [email protected]. It would still be the same community, and describe itself as such. You could even add little disclaimers in automatically migrated comments for transparency.
And even more relevant, what if the recipient instance has different rules than the original? Like defederations? Rules about niceness or illegality of stuff (see e.g. Lemmy.world’s whole deal with piracy community).
Presumably a piracy community wouldn’t migrate their community into an anti-piracy instance. The host community and instance would have to consent to migration.
Might it not be better to make a hard break from the old, allowing a fresh start on the new? i.e. community migration is just a convenience feature, it was never meant to do all the things that you said.
Depends on how built-up your community is. It sucks to have to start all over again.
It just seems like you are placing a LOT of trust in community mods to make decisions on behalf of the community for its own well-being rather than to feed their egotistical desires. However, I am recalling the semi-recent controversy of the 196 mods attempting to forcibly move their community from blahaj to Lemmy.world and people got insanely angry and started a whole new 196 (again, which is how 196 had moved to blahaj in the first place).
A lot of people came here from Reddit to get away from such practices, not subject themselves to an army of little fiefdoms within which each mod is in control of their own community. If Reddit was an empire, then your model sounds like a peaceful, hopefully loving (sometimes, but… perhaps not always?) kingdom, whereas I am talking about a democracy where the individual people who submit their content get to control their individual futures, even if their past submissions are carved in stone and their own control over it mostly released.
It’s something to think about anyway!:-)
It just seems like you are placing a LOT of trust in community mods to make decisions on behalf of the community for its own well-being rather than to feed their egotistical desires.
To be fair, community mods have any number of ways to behave badly as stewards even without such a system. I also don’t see what is immediately potentially corrupt about moving instance in a way that would inherently annoy the audience.
However, I am recalling the semi-recent controversy of the 196 mods attempting to forcibly move their community from blahaj to Lemmy.world and people got insanely angry and started a whole new 196 (again, which is how 196 had moved to blahaj in the first place).
Well, I mean there we are. I suppose in that event someone else would co-opt them entirely.
But supposing community migration did exist then, the blahaj administrators would have to give consent - and if the community clearly rejected it, I doubt they would give it.
A lot of people came here from Reddit to get away from such practices, not subject themselves to an army of little fiefdoms within which each mod is in control of their own community.
To be fair, the current piefed migration system relies on the consent of the new instance. You can’t just do it unilaterally. And I assume a piefed to piefed community transfer would require the consent of the old instance too, so you can’t just do it uniltaterally. And in a general sense we are already all at the mercy of corrupt instance owners as it is.
If Reddit was an empire, then your model sounds like a peaceful, hopefully loving (sometimes, but… perhaps not always?) kingdom, whereas I am talking about a democracy where the individual people who submit their content get to control their individual futures, even if their past submissions are carved in stone and their own control over it mostly released.
I mean as I said, the ideal migration system would leave public records of movement - and people would post knowing full well that all communities are modular and could be moved.
I also don’t see what is immediately potentially corrupt about moving instance in a way that would inherently annoy the audience.
Read more about the attempted forcible migration attempt, against the wishes of the community members, here:
Let’s just move a whole community to a new instance without asking!
If the 196 mods had used the migration feature, thé output would have been the same: other would have created [email protected] and most of the people would have moved there
Oh yeah I appreciate that, but under an official migration system - they would have to get blahaj’s approval. Which they wouldn’t give if the community erupted.
But again, this happened without a migration system anyway - so what difference does it make?
Don’t we already have community migration and backfilling of comments? @[email protected]
It could work a lot better than it does.
Yes, but it only migrates posts and comments locally to the incoming instance its moving to. What is needed for proper community migration is the ability to all instances to recognise comment migration. And ideally, the automatic rerouting of all subscribers to the new community.
Effectively making communities modular. Much of this is outside Rimus power (due to the Fediverse still being most Lemmy, but one day… one day)
