On Discourse and Decentralisation
The Community Group for #ActivityPub is drafting an open letter calling for respect and collaboration between the people working on the different protocols in the open social web.
I’m signing the letter, and with it, I have some thoughts regarding discourse, decentralisation and why I think this space matters.
I’m reading this as “be nice to the Bluesky guys, because we have a bigger problem to deal with.”
That’s fine, I’m not inclined to be mentally ill at strangers on the internet.
But I’m also not going to call it decentralized when it’s meaningfully not, and I’m going to keep an eye on where their money comes from.
We have a common enemy in government control.
But if you’re going to be my friend, I need you to not lie to my face.
Yeah, I’m seeing a lot of misdirection and reframing of the situation here. Should we be “cool” and “respectful”, yes, absolutely. Should we all agree ATP is a good idea and worth adopting? Absolutely not. It should be rejected until they figure out how to properly decentralize. As of now the protocol itself seems to fundamentally require so many resources that it disqualifies it from any sort of meaningful discussion. I hope to be wrong. Maybe as they inevitably grow to become excessively shittier, some other hosts will step in.I was wrong.
Cannot that be done for 40$ per month? https://whtwnd.nat.vg/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l
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Edit: for an example on how to create an account: https://feddit.org/post/18642154/8860187
By the way, Whitewind requires you to accept their privacy policy just to read a blog post.
This is what it looks like.
You can use this website to bypass it.
Here is a link for the blog post you just cited.
You could paste the link into pdsls.dev as well to see the record :P
https://pdsls.dev/at://did:plc:44ybard66vv44zksje25o7dz/com.whtwnd.blog.entry/3lo7a2a4qxg2l
direct PDS link https://pds.robocracy.org/xrpc/com.atproto.repo.getRecord?repo=did%3Aplc%3A44ybard66vv44zksje25o7dz&collection=com.whtwnd.blog.entry&rkey=3lo7a2a4qxg2l
I didn’t know you could do this.
Amazing lol
I cant even see this text without agreeing to a ToS and I’m simply not doing that.
I’m not at all an expert on the subject, but I would ask: if it’s so easy and cheap, why aren’t more people hosting them? As far as I can tell there are only a handful in existence.
https://whtwnd.nat.vg/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l from [email protected]
Edited the link to https://whtwnd.nat.vg/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l thanks to @[email protected] comment above
Piefed is cheap to host too, but only a few people host instances.
I just learned about Blacksky which is independent from Bluesky but uses ATProto
PieFed is much newer, has many many MANY fewer users, and seems to already have many more instances.
https://github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping/
Piefed has fewer instances, really.
It’s a bit surprising as it seems you already provided that link recently: https://feddit.org/post/18498447/8800070
All of these links just lead to blank pages.
Checking this one: blacksky.app
It returns this:
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) ) * ) ( ( /( ( /( ( ` ( /( )\ ) )\()) )\()) )\))( )\()) (()/( ( ((_)\ ((_)\ ((_)()\ ((_)\ /(_)) )\ _((_) ((_) (_()((_) ((_) (_)) ((_) | \| | / _ \ | \/ | / _ \ | _ \ | __| | .` | | (_) | | |\/| | | (_) | | / | _| |_|\_| \___/ |_| |_| \___/ |_|_\ |___| ( ) ( ( ) ) )\ ) ( /( )\ ) * ) )\ ) * ) ( /( * ) ( /( (()/( )\()) ( ( (()/( ` ) /( ( (()/( ` ) /( )\()) ` ) /( )\()) ( /(_)) ((_)\ )\ )\ /(_)) ( )(_)) )\ /(_)) ( )(_)) ((_)\ ( )(_)) ((_)\ )\ (_)) _((_) ((_)((_) (_)) (_(_()) ((_) (_)) (_(_()) ((_) (_(_()) _((_) ((_) |_ _| | \| | \ \ / / |_ _| |_ _| | __| / __| |_ _| / _ \ |_ _| | || | | __| | | | .` | \ V / | | | | | _| \__ \ | | | (_) | | | | __ | | _| |___| |_|\_| \_/ |___| |_| |___| |___/ |_| \___/ |_| |_||_| |___| ) ) ) ) ( ( /( ( /( ( /( ( /( * ) )\ )\()) )\()) )\()) )\()) ( ` ) /( (((_) ((_)\ ((_)\ |((_)\ ((_)\ )\ ( )(_)) )\___ ((_) ((_) |_ ((_) ((_) _ ((_) (_(_()) ((/ __| / _ \ / _ \ | |/ / / _ \ | | | | |_ _| | (__ | (_) | | (_) | ' < | (_) | | |_| | | | \___| \___/ \___/ _|\_\ \___/ \___/ |_| This is an AT Protocol Personal Data Server (aka, an atproto PDS) operated by Blacksky Algorithms Most API routes are under /xrpc/ Code: https://github.com/blacksky-algorithms Support: https://opencollective.com/blacksky Protocol: https://atproto.com/which isn’t blank, and describes what it is.
That specific repo indexes PDSes only.
If you’re looking for something closer to a full instance (like on activitypub) wafrn may interest you, it’s a bit more niche though.
Piefed also has different features than Lemmy, which incites people to start instances.
About the number of ATProto PDS and relays, didn’t you already got a much larger list in this comment? https://feddit.org/post/18498447/8800070
https://github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping
If you actually click those links there’s nothing there.
Here how I used it:
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Then use it to login on deer.social
Here is my account for instance: https://deer.social/profile/did:plc:yhwzvt4bab4o743dhg5rfctw