While most of this post is about Blacksky, there are a couple of sections that focus on the fediverse – “And yet…” and “A great learning opportunity for the ActivityPub Fediverse”
While most of this post is about Blacksky, there are a couple of sections that focus on the fediverse – “And yet…” and “A great learning opportunity for the ActivityPub Fediverse”
It’s a platform using AT Proto (the protocol Bluesky uses), independent but still connected (think about Lemmy instances). That way they can apply their own moderation policies and don’t have to follow Bluesky censorship.
More details here: https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:w4xbfzo7kqfes5zb7r6qv3rw/post/3lye7kyekw22m
There is another one coming up: https://northskysocial.com/posts/about
It’s not really connected in the same sense two Lemmy instances are connected. They’re able to pull in the same data as Bluesky as it’s all public and PDSs don’t really have the ability to block a relay from crawling them.
Indeed, I was just giving a broad analogy, thank you for adding more details
A better analogy would probably saying it’s like Bing/Google. They’re independent of each other but broadly what’s on one is on the other.
At the app level (blacksky.community / bsky.app on the web) it’s more like TweetDeck/Twitter: different client interfaces to the same underlying network. That’s not a perfect analogy though because Blacksky makes different moderation decisions than Bluesky.
But also, people using either of these apps can store their data in arbitrary PDSs, so when people migrate their accounts to the Blacksky PDS they can use either of the apps. So there it’s more like Piefed/Lemmy – different implementations of the same protocol. Again though it’s not a perfect analogy because the AT Protocol architecture lets you migrate all your data between PDSs seamlessly, and so far only a few niche ActivityPub implementations support that (Hubzilla et al with nomadic identity, ActivityPods using Solid Pods).
Oh, I thought blacksky.comnunity used Blacksky’s relay. If it uses Bluesky’s then yeah, disregard what I said.
I’d hope so given how abysmal Bluesky’s moderation is. The discovery feed is filled with transphobia, but you can’t say Charlie Kirk should rest in piss.
I don’t believe Hubzilla’s nomatic identity works with APub though, irrc it uses something called Zot.
I’ve been thinking about how to add nomatic identity to Lemmy quite a bit and it’s something I’d like to work on after 1.0 is out, but it’s hard a problem for sure.
Yeah, Bluesky’s moderation really is abysmal. Somebody I know got suspended for 24 hours for saying something about Charlie Kirk and when they came back immediately moved their account to Blacksky … and who can blame them!
Right now blacksky.community is an app that uses Bluesky’s AppView, which in turn uses Bluesky’s Relay. They’re working on their own AppView (which will have the equivalent of local-only posts) and that will use their Relay. I didn’t mean to undercut your point though, they often talk about PDSs as analogous to web pages, so your “different search engines” analogy is very accurate, it’s just not quite there yet.
And good point about Hubzilla … if I recall correctly either in (((streams))) or Forte (or maybe both) MIke implemented the nomadic identity over ActivityPub as well. It’s really frustrating that AP development in general hasn’t paid more attention to his ideas! If you’re thinking about this kind of stuff for Lemmy, it’s also worth looking at https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-ef61-portable-objects/3738
Interesting