As I said elsewhere I have no doubt they would try but this is allowing them to go further and muting criticism of their crackdown. It clearly increases the chances of success for their power grab.
I swear so many leftists have literally no understanding of politics or how public opinion influences political outcomes. It is maddening.
I never said don’t fight back. But fight smart. Killing Charlie Kirk isn’t fighting back, it’s just an expression of self-destructive rage from someone who probably wasn’t even a leftist.
I never said don’t fight back. But fight smart. Killing Charlie Kirk isn’t fighting back, it’s just an expression of self-destructive rage from someone who probably wasn’t even a leftist.
It’s weird how you seem to be aware the killer wasn’t a leftist, but are scolding leftists for not “fight[ing] smart” anyway.
Kirk didn’t have enough power perhaps? Soft power sure but didn’t sign war treaties or insurance denials or vote in Congress or w/e. Maybe that changes the general perspective. Also compare disappointment at presidential assassination attempt. Neither Luigi CEO nor president incidents had many people here worried on their behalf
Well, my personal perspective on the two was similar and I got a lot of flak for it.
But from a broader perspective I think the difference is that partisan politics have become deeply associated with a personal, tribal identity. The reaction to Kirk has been different because conservatives feel personally threatened by his death. This fear makes them react much more violently. I think journalists have also amplified this because even if they are not on the same side, they rightly perceive that they could be next if this turns into a tit for tat exchange.
In contrast, while most people didn’t support the murder of Thompson it was more of an academic crime. They don’t identify personally with a CEO in the same way.
Plus Trump wasn’t president and he wasn’t able to fan the flames as effectively back then.
Trump put a ton of troops into DC to “combat crime” despite it being lower than any time recently already. They don’t care about reality. This doesn’t really make it easier for them. If they needed an excuse, something was going to happen that they could use.
I agree people should be more focused on public opinion. That should be the primary goal. The more we can change that the better chance we have to accomish what we want. I don’t think this hurts that goal though; his death will be forgotten by most people in a month, along with all the other gun deaths in America.
Potentially it helps, though I doubt by much, because Kirk was capable of pushing this air of reasonableness with fascist politics. He cleaned up their image and made people feel like they could support Fascists and not be evil. Currently I don’t think there’s anyone else who fills this position. Almost all of the other are the “righteous rage” Fascists.
Again, it’s less about what he’ll do and more about what he can get away with and how much backlash there will be. Frankly, I don’t think most Americans know crime in DC is low. This is due to a media ecosystem that manufactures consent for fascism.
You can say this would happen anyway but I think the media’s sympathy for Kirk as a fellow media person also has a big impact on the way this incident has been covered and how they’ll respond to the coming crackdown. Look at how many left-leaning journalists and media people are being fired right now. That will have an impact on coverage going forward at minimum.
Regarding Kirk and his value to the fascists, I’m unsure because these people are all so repugnant to me. I want to say he’s just an empty suit that will easily be filled by the billionaires who funded him but truthfully I can’t say if he had some unique appeal because I wouldn’t see it even if it was there.
As I said elsewhere I have no doubt they would try but this is allowing them to go further and muting criticism of their crackdown. It clearly increases the chances of success for their power grab.
I swear so many leftists have literally no understanding of politics or how public opinion influences political outcomes. It is maddening.
I never said don’t fight back. But fight smart. Killing Charlie Kirk isn’t fighting back, it’s just an expression of self-destructive rage from someone who probably wasn’t even a leftist.
It’s weird how you seem to be aware the killer wasn’t a leftist, but are scolding leftists for not “fight[ing] smart” anyway.
Because people here are trying to make this killing into some brave act of resistance when it clearly was nothing of the sort.
Interesting how opinion was different with Luigi
Kirk didn’t have enough power perhaps? Soft power sure but didn’t sign war treaties or insurance denials or vote in Congress or w/e. Maybe that changes the general perspective. Also compare disappointment at presidential assassination attempt. Neither Luigi CEO nor president incidents had many people here worried on their behalf
Well, my personal perspective on the two was similar and I got a lot of flak for it.
But from a broader perspective I think the difference is that partisan politics have become deeply associated with a personal, tribal identity. The reaction to Kirk has been different because conservatives feel personally threatened by his death. This fear makes them react much more violently. I think journalists have also amplified this because even if they are not on the same side, they rightly perceive that they could be next if this turns into a tit for tat exchange.
In contrast, while most people didn’t support the murder of Thompson it was more of an academic crime. They don’t identify personally with a CEO in the same way.
Plus Trump wasn’t president and he wasn’t able to fan the flames as effectively back then.
Trump put a ton of troops into DC to “combat crime” despite it being lower than any time recently already. They don’t care about reality. This doesn’t really make it easier for them. If they needed an excuse, something was going to happen that they could use.
I agree people should be more focused on public opinion. That should be the primary goal. The more we can change that the better chance we have to accomish what we want. I don’t think this hurts that goal though; his death will be forgotten by most people in a month, along with all the other gun deaths in America.
Potentially it helps, though I doubt by much, because Kirk was capable of pushing this air of reasonableness with fascist politics. He cleaned up their image and made people feel like they could support Fascists and not be evil. Currently I don’t think there’s anyone else who fills this position. Almost all of the other are the “righteous rage” Fascists.
Again, it’s less about what he’ll do and more about what he can get away with and how much backlash there will be. Frankly, I don’t think most Americans know crime in DC is low. This is due to a media ecosystem that manufactures consent for fascism.
You can say this would happen anyway but I think the media’s sympathy for Kirk as a fellow media person also has a big impact on the way this incident has been covered and how they’ll respond to the coming crackdown. Look at how many left-leaning journalists and media people are being fired right now. That will have an impact on coverage going forward at minimum.
Regarding Kirk and his value to the fascists, I’m unsure because these people are all so repugnant to me. I want to say he’s just an empty suit that will easily be filled by the billionaires who funded him but truthfully I can’t say if he had some unique appeal because I wouldn’t see it even if it was there.