I guess it must be a hot take, because it gets downvoted a lot every time I say this, but…
I think it’s better to boycott Nintendo outright, rather than pirate their games. Piracy is still promotion, it still benefits them, and anyone going out of their way to facilitate Nintendo piracy is clearly putting themselves at great risk. Even video content creators who are doing nothing illegal are at risk of legal battles they often can’t afford.
Nothing that Nintendo comes out is so uniquely great that it’s worth putting up with their awful business practices, fan abuse, and general enshittification. As far as video game platforms go, Steam provides orders of magnitude more value for the same cost, and they are doing genuinely good work advancing the quality and popularity of Linux.
I doubt Nintendo fanatics know how to boycott at all.
I’ve seen threads even in lemmyverse of folks purchasing the Switch2, esp. after some recent releases.
I doubt they’ll ever even grow spines and burn Execs’ homes.
Nah, I’m pirating their shit if it’s worth playing. Less and less of it qualifies now anyway. Knowing how much they rabidly hate piracy of their stuff makes it all the more satisfying!
This would never be downvoted on Lemmy, so you’ve asked to be distrusted. And no, piracy is not promotion. No one is going home and buying a switch 2 if they play an emulator of an SNES game at my house.
People play Nintendo games because they are fun. Pretending otherwise is kind of stupid. I’m hard pressed to give them any more money, but some weird campaign to pretend they don’t exist isn’t going to change a damned thing.
Edit: notice how I’m downvoted but the person saying a popular opinion while claiming they’ll be downvoted gets upvoted. Imagine that.
You’re basically saying boycotts are ineffective. That’s bullshit. Sure I know Nintendo isn’t going away, but now I’m putting my time, effort, and money towards the goods and services from a more deserving company. And Nintendo is gone from my life.
It’s about what you want to grow, not what you want to die.
But even if a million of their customers fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, nothing would change. Nintendo is too successful for their own good. I’ll never buy a Nintendo product, but let’s not fool ourselves thinking a small group of people on the internet has anything on the largest video game company in Japan.
okay, I did pull that number out of my ass, but my point still stands, Nintendo will not learn their lesson by a few thousand people on the internet claiming to boycott them. I guess it would take maybe a million lost customers, but I doubt that will ever happen because the bulk of Nintendo sales go to people who only care about the games, not the company.
Even if it’s a small amount of people, it still matters. Even if boycotts can’t be made big enough to force a company to change, the change that does occur for the people boycotting changes their own lives. Things don’t happen in a vacuum, there is opportunity cost. Nintendo might still be bullying the rest of their customers, but the boycotters themselves are already free. They’re already using alternatives, supporting those alternatives, and the growth that can happen from that support can potentially mean the world to who is being supported.
I could be playing a Zelda game, but I won’t. And because of that, one way I’ve scratched that itch is by buying indie games with a similar style like Blossom Tales and Anodyne. Indie devs can use all the support they can get, so every customer counts.
It also has me looking into open-source alternatives like the Zquest engine and Solarus engine - both of which seem pretty cool.
And of course as I said earlier it means more of my time, energy, and money go toward Steam, and Valve is doing great work driving increasing popularity and technical capability of Linux, and largely doing it in the right way by substantially supporting open-source software like Proton.
One or few people don’t make much of a difference in the short term, but they are always the first ones necessary to get network effects going. I mean come on, we’re having this discussion on lemmy.
It’s really not, and evidently you don’t know jack shit about the discussions, studies, and history in piracy. If you did, you’d know that a primary argument in favor of the free sharing of information is that as we consume media, we effectively become free advertising for that media. So by claiming my stance is a “weirdo interpretation”, you are undermining one of the pillars that supports movements to make info and culture more free.
No it isn’t. You’re here on a soapbox telling people that they aren’t doing enough by completely changing their buying behavior. That’s not enough – they have to also conform to an arbitrary goalpost that you set. Nintendo is still so in your life that you’re can’t even let people pirate their shit in peace.
In the last 24 hours I’ve had a great time playing Heroes of Might and Magic 3 on my laptop, feeling pleased about my 800+ games on Steam and the fact that I’m not having my life ruined by Shigeru Miyamoto’s lawyers. This is what people get wrong about boycotts and the defeatist refrain, “no ethical consumption under capitalism.” It ignores that, on the example of Nintendo, I have not purchased any of their systems since the New 2DS XL. No Switch, definitely no Switch 2. And in leveraging that opportunity cost I have instead directed my resources to one of their competitors, which has had immediate benefits for my own personal life.
It’s not about what you want to kill, it’s about what you want to grow. I am helping to support the increased use of Linux by using Linux, paying for products that have Linux, and naturally advertising for Linux as a result of that being a part of my life. I don’t care how successful Nintendo is, because I am already free from their enshittification.
’Cause last time I recall in history, when fascist corporations exists, there’s literally only one remedy for boycotting them.
Your linux plight is honestly hearsay to this conversation, and I support it, as an anarchist.
But Nintendo has already C&D MANY linux projects. How many more linux projects do you want to see C&D?
You probably got downvoted for saying that something which does happen “never” happens, and for calling people “stupid” if they don’t agree with your opinion, and lastly for calling a boycott “some weird campaign to pretend they don’t exist”.
You gave strangers many reasons to dismiss what you’re saying.
What planet do you live on? Who do you think burned someone??? Lmao.
You made a whiny edit saying that people would downvote you because your comment “wasn’t popular”. I pointed out, using the exact words that you wrote, which rude and condescending statements that you made would likely cause people to think that your comment is not worth listening to.
You said that I am “wrong” despite having copy and pasted your text.
You feel “burned” when I pointed out that I copy and pasted it???
Unless you have no playmates, you basically play the games and later discuss with your buddies. In turn you passively encourage your mates to play the games, even if you pirate, the social force is there.
I guess it must be a hot take, because it gets downvoted a lot every time I say this, but…
I think it’s better to boycott Nintendo outright, rather than pirate their games. Piracy is still promotion, it still benefits them, and anyone going out of their way to facilitate Nintendo piracy is clearly putting themselves at great risk. Even video content creators who are doing nothing illegal are at risk of legal battles they often can’t afford.
Nothing that Nintendo comes out is so uniquely great that it’s worth putting up with their awful business practices, fan abuse, and general enshittification. As far as video game platforms go, Steam provides orders of magnitude more value for the same cost, and they are doing genuinely good work advancing the quality and popularity of Linux.
I doubt Nintendo fanatics know how to boycott at all.
I’ve seen threads even in lemmyverse of folks purchasing the Switch2, esp. after some recent releases.
I doubt they’ll ever even grow spines and burn Execs’ homes.
Nah, I’m pirating their shit if it’s worth playing. Less and less of it qualifies now anyway. Knowing how much they rabidly hate piracy of their stuff makes it all the more satisfying!
This would never be downvoted on Lemmy, so you’ve asked to be distrusted. And no, piracy is not promotion. No one is going home and buying a switch 2 if they play an emulator of an SNES game at my house.
People play Nintendo games because they are fun. Pretending otherwise is kind of stupid. I’m hard pressed to give them any more money, but some weird campaign to pretend they don’t exist isn’t going to change a damned thing.
Edit: notice how I’m downvoted but the person saying a popular opinion while claiming they’ll be downvoted gets upvoted. Imagine that.
You’re basically saying boycotts are ineffective. That’s bullshit. Sure I know Nintendo isn’t going away, but now I’m putting my time, effort, and money towards the goods and services from a more deserving company. And Nintendo is gone from my life.
It’s about what you want to grow, not what you want to die.
boycotts can totally be effective.
But even if a million of their customers fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, nothing would change. Nintendo is too successful for their own good. I’ll never buy a Nintendo product, but let’s not fool ourselves thinking a small group of people on the internet has anything on the largest video game company in Japan.
A million customers dropping Nintendo at once would absolutely have a massive impact, are you kidding?
okay, I did pull that number out of my ass, but my point still stands, Nintendo will not learn their lesson by a few thousand people on the internet claiming to boycott them. I guess it would take maybe a million lost customers, but I doubt that will ever happen because the bulk of Nintendo sales go to people who only care about the games, not the company.
Even if it’s a small amount of people, it still matters. Even if boycotts can’t be made big enough to force a company to change, the change that does occur for the people boycotting changes their own lives. Things don’t happen in a vacuum, there is opportunity cost. Nintendo might still be bullying the rest of their customers, but the boycotters themselves are already free. They’re already using alternatives, supporting those alternatives, and the growth that can happen from that support can potentially mean the world to who is being supported.
I could be playing a Zelda game, but I won’t. And because of that, one way I’ve scratched that itch is by buying indie games with a similar style like Blossom Tales and Anodyne. Indie devs can use all the support they can get, so every customer counts.
It also has me looking into open-source alternatives like the Zquest engine and Solarus engine - both of which seem pretty cool.
And of course as I said earlier it means more of my time, energy, and money go toward Steam, and Valve is doing great work driving increasing popularity and technical capability of Linux, and largely doing it in the right way by substantially supporting open-source software like Proton.
One or few people don’t make much of a difference in the short term, but they are always the first ones necessary to get network effects going. I mean come on, we’re having this discussion on lemmy.
No, I’m saying boycotts are good but a weirdo interpretation of them which say piracy violates a boycott is fucking stupid
It’s really not, and evidently you don’t know jack shit about the discussions, studies, and history in piracy. If you did, you’d know that a primary argument in favor of the free sharing of information is that as we consume media, we effectively become free advertising for that media. So by claiming my stance is a “weirdo interpretation”, you are undermining one of the pillars that supports movements to make info and culture more free.
Piracy is a form of free advertising. And piracy can and often does lead to more sales.
To pirate something does promote it through word of mouth viral marketing.
No it isn’t. You’re here on a soapbox telling people that they aren’t doing enough by completely changing their buying behavior. That’s not enough – they have to also conform to an arbitrary goalpost that you set. Nintendo is still so in your life that you’re can’t even let people pirate their shit in peace.
Supporting Nintendo is self harm, I am just trying to suggest to people that they don’t have to participate in that self harm.
Seriously, this is you right now.
It’s been past 24 hours, and not a single headquarters is in flames.
I consider your “boycott” a tantrum.
Let us know when you actually do something else than keyboard arts.
In the last 24 hours I’ve had a great time playing Heroes of Might and Magic 3 on my laptop, feeling pleased about my 800+ games on Steam and the fact that I’m not having my life ruined by Shigeru Miyamoto’s lawyers. This is what people get wrong about boycotts and the defeatist refrain, “no ethical consumption under capitalism.” It ignores that, on the example of Nintendo, I have not purchased any of their systems since the New 2DS XL. No Switch, definitely no Switch 2. And in leveraging that opportunity cost I have instead directed my resources to one of their competitors, which has had immediate benefits for my own personal life.
It’s not about what you want to kill, it’s about what you want to grow. I am helping to support the increased use of Linux by using Linux, paying for products that have Linux, and naturally advertising for Linux as a result of that being a part of my life. I don’t care how successful Nintendo is, because I am already free from their enshittification.
Could you then explain:
what you then meant by this?
’Cause last time I recall in history, when fascist corporations exists, there’s literally only one remedy for boycotting them.
Your linux plight is honestly hearsay to this conversation, and I support it, as an anarchist. But Nintendo has already C&D MANY linux projects. How many more linux projects do you want to see C&D?
Is this ragebait written by an eleven year old?
Are you unaware how political action takes place?
So that’s a yes?
Pointing out that pointless actions are pointless isn’t “supporting” anything but thought. Bye.
got 'em
You probably got downvoted for saying that something which does happen “never” happens, and for calling people “stupid” if they don’t agree with your opinion, and lastly for calling a boycott “some weird campaign to pretend they don’t exist”.
You gave strangers many reasons to dismiss what you’re saying.
Everything you said is wrong
It’s copy and pasted from your comment 🤣
What a sick ass burn.
What planet do you live on? Who do you think burned someone??? Lmao.
You made a whiny edit saying that people would downvote you because your comment “wasn’t popular”. I pointed out, using the exact words that you wrote, which rude and condescending statements that you made would likely cause people to think that your comment is not worth listening to.
You said that I am “wrong” despite having copy and pasted your text.
You feel “burned” when I pointed out that I copy and pasted it???
The idiot said they were going to be downvoted when they obviously weren’t going to be. You clearly think you burned me. And this time too.
i CopY paStEd Ur TeXt!!!1
Okay cool you have a lot of time on your hands to comb through people’s comment histories.
Comment history? It’s your comments in this thread. I read the thread. Lol.
Unless you have no playmates, you basically play the games and later discuss with your buddies. In turn you passively encourage your mates to play the games, even if you pirate, the social force is there.
Boycotting works, we’re social creatures