• Sanctus@lemmy.world
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    You got me, I wasn’t stating facts just opinions and fee fees. Maybe it is just me, who thinks of the original when I hear Tron, and not Legacy. Now, we can play the gross profit game all day but a lot of factors changed in daily life from 1982 to 2010. Including inflation. 1 dollar in 1982 is like 2.26 on 2010 money. We also see Disney gaining am unfathomable reach, with Tron Legacy releasing worldwide and in China, while Tron only released in 1000 or so American theaters. Is that a fair comparison? Enough to call me out as brazen and bat shit? Not really. I mean Tron was Disney’s highest grossing live action film for five years. It was nominated for multiple awards. I just dont believe your analysis takes in all facets surrounding the original release compared to the sequel. Quite literally a different production level with less interesting visuals, less unique, and just about the same sort of confusing story. If we could have some sort of comparison where people are exposed to the two and vote on it, you’d find the original has a lot of merit and is far more focused in scope than Legacy.

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      Including inflation. 1 dollar in 1982 is like 2.26 on 2010 money.

      That still doesn’t really put it anywhere close. Plus it’s moreso about budget vs. return when we think of flops.

      Idk it’s just extremely obvious that objectively speaking more people have seen Tron Legacy - a highly marketed high budget action blockbuster in IMAX 3D with state of the art visual effects, Olivia Wilde, Jeff Bridges and a soundtrack done by one of the most popular and recognizable musicians of all time. and especially of it’s time than Tron, a fairly goofy low budget sci-fi B-movie from the 1980s starring Jeff Bridges before he was really all that popular featuring Wendy Carlos noodling on a synth.

      This is obviously not to say that one is bad, or that one is worse than the other, those are completely unrelated concepts.

      I am primarily interested in discussing why Legacy didn’t appeal to general audiences as a way of understanding what makes a mass-appeal successful movie, because while Tron 1982 is also a good movie - it is very obvious why it didn’t appeal to general audiences.

      We also see Disney gaining am unfathomable reach, with Tron Legacy releasing worldwide and in China, while Tron only released in 1000 or so American theaters. Is that a fair comparison? Enough to call me out as brazen and bat shit?

      That’s like my entire point though. Obviously more people saw Tron Legacy, compared to Tron. But it’s not just the reach either, as we can also see with Tron Ares.

      I didn’t call you “bat shit” (one word btw), I expressed respect for having such a wild take because I’m also a huge contrarian on Lemmy at times.

      I mean Tron was Disney’s highest grossing live action film for five years.

      Because Disney didn’t make many live action films during that time.

      https://www.thegibsonreview.com/blog/disney-through-the-years-the-1980s-live-action-features

      The only one I personally even know of from this list is “Honey, I shrunk the kids”.

      literally a different production level with less interesting visuals, less unique, and

      That’s subjective, I prefer the visuals of Legacy by a mile, and I think they are far more unique, they’re just also more generally appealing because they don’t look so low budget (even for the time Tron 1982 released).

      All of these things should’ve made Legacy even more of a success though even if you were right.

      I also don’t think it’s even remotely reasonable to compare the story in Tron 1982 which is about something like stealing a video game’s code - incomprehensible to general audiences - and Tron Legacy, which is a pretty nice simplistic hero’s journey about a guy meeting his long-lost dad. Very human, very mass appeal, very star warsy. Should’ve been a bigger hit and idk why it wasn’t.

      If we could have some sort of comparison where people are exposed to the two and vote on it, you’d find the original has a lot of merit and is far more focused in scope than Legacy.

      No it wouldn’t.

      You are saying that based on your opinion of the original. You do understand that not everyone shares this opinion? In fact what facts and figures we have indicated the opposite.

      Heck I’m quite sure Disney did their research for Ares and found that copying the Tron Legacy aesthetic tested better by focus groups, because y’know - it’s the one thing everyone says was great about that film.

      You do also understand what mass-appeal means, yes? It’s not really about merit. Art doesn’t become popular because it has merit, if anything above the level of what can be considered a “professional” or “competent” production of anything, I would wager that merit has an exactly inverse correlation to popularity.

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        2 days ago

        Legacy is ass. The original is far more unique. I will die on this hill and thats fine. You can dissect each part of my comment but the fact still remains that Tron as an IP is fucking dying because of the choices of it’s descendants. “Mass appeal” was apparently not enough. You have to stand for something to be something, not just what you think everyone wants to see, and the original Tron was not trying to be something everyone wants to see.

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          Yeah that’s why most didn’t see it.

          Idk personally I think both movies are good for totally different reasons. G’day to you