ObjectivityIncarnate

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  • Yet your argument is: It’s wrong because it would be against the law (“theft”)

    No, your assumption is apparently that the word “theft” has an inextricably law-based definition. It doesn’t—stealing’s immoral, that’s all there is to it.

    it’s not theft to take back something that belongs to you.

    Agreed, but irrelevant, as you’re talking about taking, not taking back. It doesn’t belong to you just because you decided it does.


  • Value is always and exclusively derived from labor.

    That’s a ridiculous statement (re “exclusively”). As an extremely simple/obvious example that refutes this: the best cashier in the world’s skills are worthless unless a store already exists for them to cashier in.

    It’s absurd to think the worker is entitled to 100% of the value their labor produces. Both employer and employee come together for that value creation to be possible. Neither entity alone can create that value, so they both deserve a portion of the result of their symbiosis; neither side deserves 100%.

    “Profit = theft” is a moronic notion.

    this argument is roughly on the same level as “drugs are illegal because they are prohibited.”

    No, it isn’t, at all. I’m talking about morality, not legality. Total straw man on your part.







  • I’m confused, didn’t you answer your own question?

    No, there is a difference in motivation between doing whatever you want because you believe it’s hopeless re ‘consuming ethically’, and doing whatever you want because you’ve never given a single thought to the matter of ‘ethical consumption’ at all.

    My contention is simply that the vast majority of people who ‘do whatever’ are in the latter category, that’s all.


  • people who interpret “no ethical consumption under capitalism” as a license to do whatever they want, because it’s all unethical.

    Have you actually encountered someone who did this? Everyone I’ve ever known of who was in the ‘do whatever they want’ mindset, certainly wasn’t because of how they interpreted that ‘slogan’, it was just because they don’t give a shit to begin with—they almost certainly had never even heard it before.





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    You mean the same Beneficial Ownership Information (BOI) that Trump and Musk killed the enforcement of after a tweet? (Both billionaires, btw.)

    Goalpost move, you said billionaires prevent those laws from passing. They passed. You lied. The end.

    Are you arguing that a 1% excise tax limited to stock buybacks (even lower than the 2 and 3% I already argued won’t change the status quo) in any way counters [anything]?

    Nope. A new tax that applies only to the wealthiest demographic successfully passing is just another refutation of your assertion that billionaires prevent legislation that affects them negatively from passing, and that’s the only reason I mentioned it. More desperate goalpost moves.

    For every legal loophole that is closed

    So you admit they do get closed. I thought billionaires never let detrimental legislation pass?

    It would be convenient for you, if I were to suggest that, or any other argument you try to put in my mouth.

    Behold, your words, verbatim:

    When those policies conflict with the interests of billionaires, the billionaires stop them from passing.