It’s the same for all of us 😅

There’s a reason a lot of us only hang out with other NDs

No worries. You didn’t bother me. I can (usually) tell when people are being debate perverts on threaded discussions :)

I did not smell good faith from this person. When you’re debating in good faith, you’re very conscious about wasting your partner’s time and even of checking if they were looking for a debate in the first place, or if they were just posting a quick meme…

I’ve dealt a lot with people like these. They are not interested in learning. They’re only interested in debating.

Truth is, windows has plenty of such small annoyances just as well, it’s just that everyone is used to the windows way of doing it, so it’s not even worth joking about it.

I forgive you.

My peep, why do you think you’re entitled to my time? Especially with statements like “Expand on that please”. Who do you think I am, your intern?

I don’t feel I was particularly hostile.

Not without a dinner and a movie first!

Because capitalism is not just markets?

Ha! frontrun that tried argument by 1 minute

inb4 “capitalism is just markets and those existed for 5 billions years. Checkmate”

It’s not even that. It’s like trying to run an AAA game on a 10 year old laptop and complaining the game is garbage because your frame rates are too low.

At least anecdotally, Andreas over at 82MHz.net tried running a AI model locally on his laptop and it took over 10 minutes for just one prompt.

OK just the 4th sentence clearly shows this person has no clue what they’re talking about.

All credit to @[email protected]

By the same token, if there’s no practical evidence of prefigurative communities being effective in fostering wider sociopathy-less societies then your/the proposition is solely theoretical and adherence to the ideal is a matter of faith.

There is evidence. The article I linked to even mentions some.

Nobody set out with liberal democracies in mind 500 years ago. The societies we have now have evolved very slowly and are a mish-mash of different ideas and influcences, often conflicting, both over time historically and together now in its current state.

So would anarchism. The ideas we have now about what a future society would like, are about as idealistic as the early liberal revolutions. Like them, we’re just imagining something better than the current system.

You keep dragging me in with these bad takes which I feel I have to counter. Very annoying.

This seems odd. If such groups are extant now on planet Earth and have proven to be unbelievably stable then where are the sociopathy-less societies that they have fostered? If there are no sociopathy-less societies, then the idea that prefigurative communities can be effective would appear to be false.

This is the typical argument of “it can’t exist because it doesn’t exist yet”. It’s facetious. By this argument one could argue 500 years ago that liberal democracies are impossible just as well.

This seems to be key. There will never be an absence of outside pressure which, again, implies that preconfigurative communities cannot be effective.

There’s no certainty that they would fail by every type of external pressure.

Not really, your comment just piqued my interest.

Cool but I don’t think you have any actual honest interest to understand and are just being a debatelord wasting my time, so I’m bowing out now.

The opposite really, practical cases show that when such groups are created they are unbelievable stable and don’t collapse outside of external pressure (i.e. capitalist reaction to destroy them).

What is the difference in kind between “prefigurative communities” and the general wider society we have now, that means the base desire for social status and greed (“sociopathy”) will not be promoted? How do you propose eliminating the “conflictual internal dynamics” that arise from those desires?

Very simply that there is no “reward” to be had for asocial behavior. When there is no hierarchical power or wealth accumulation to be had, acting in a way that alienates those around you doesn’t provide any benefits.

The page you linked gives no information about that.

You seem to have a lot of questions about anarchism. Perhaps you should read an anarchist FAQ which exists is precicely for this purpose? Unfortunately, I cannot keep elaborating deeper and deeper.

This is not a simple concept. Maybe this will help