No, less than 2000 cars is not mass market.

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Sounds very limited market.

Those are golf cart and scooter motors, not suitable for highways

BMW currently uses brushed motors in their EVs so I’m not looking to them for any advice. Maybe BMW wants their traditional central layout CM450 tech. But! DeepDrive is the first hub motor I’ve seen that did not need gearing, so that is actually cool. I think they’ll be relegated to rear wheels due to scrub radius limitations but that could be ok.

I’m looking for benefits over current EV drivetrains. So far, there aren’t any.

They DO require transmissions! A single speed planetary gear set is still required, same as current EV drives.

Find me a hub motor datasheet with quoted power and torque below 1000 rpms. The YASA datasheets are all out to 8000 rpms. Useless at wheel speed.

They’re quoting 30 second power numbers and dry weight without a gearbox. They’re fishing for dumb money.

I agree, they are good for minimally suspended low speed personal transport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism

mass market
There’ll be 1,980 of these built

That car is the definition of a party trick. You proved my point, so thank you.

Not even the concept had hub motors.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/volkswagen-id-polo
https://electricarworld.com/volkswagen-polo-makes-a-comeback-as-an-electric-car/
https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/electric-vehicles/volkswagen-id-polo-gti-breaks-cover-at-iaa-mobility-comes-as-reborn-polo-gti-41757316409552.html

Limited slip differential? Can’t do that with hub motors. https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/car-news/volkswagen-id-polo-prototype-a5100-20250908

If you have different information about a production car, please share it. The theoretical concept ID.2 R may use hub motors but that is vaporware at this point.

They make sense for scooters, bikes, and other low speed or two wheel personal transport. For anything with an actual suspension (designed for a highway) there is just too much competition for space with brakes and suspension linkage. The unsprung weight, exposed high voltage cabling subject to road debris and accidents are problems too. And what to do hub motors really gain you?

Hub motors are a party trick. They will never reach mass market in a car.

The mouse and keyboard still worked but I couldn’t change window focus. I could ctl+alt+f2 and restart cinnamon. dmesg was empty. I think it was a panel applet but didn’t put much effort into finding the real problem

22.2 fixed a lot of minor problems I had on 22.1, even on the same kernel. 6.14 would reliability freeze my desktop environment within an hour on 22.1 but it’s been solid since is on-place upgraded to 22.2

Is that why Azure was down? Because the cease fire was broken?

Probably every 2 months. When I have a day off work with nothing to do. I have a few VMs that are more fragile than I want to admit and if something breaks I want to have time to tinker instead of just restoring a backup.

There is zero substance in that article so I will save you a click

The real explanation, he said, is simple: China’s extensive government support.

Where that one leads

The only person I ever met that made money printing was ignoring copyright and trademarks. Mostly sports team logos on man cave stuff.

https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Real_Seal

The Real Seal appears on products that are made with 100% U.S. cow’s milk

I don’t like tom cruise either but watching him get his ass kicked every single time he got out of bed was worth the watch

They’re trying to manufacture a crisis, so using guns against ICE is what they want to justify their next steps.

I do not disagree with you though