I don’t think you understand what doing code reviews is like.

So someone submits terrible code. You don’t get to just say “this is bad code” and reject it wholesale, you have to explain in exhaustive detail what the problems are. Doing otherwise leads to really toxic environments. It’s killed countless projects

That’s why you write rules. You don’t have to argue if they need tests or not, you tap the sign and reject it without actually reviewing it if it doesn’t meet the requirement

Same thing here. You open up vibe coded nonsense so you tap the sign and reject it without bothering to review it. Do the same thing with “bad code” as a reason and it starts insane drama.

People are really sensitive about their code, and there’s a whole methodology around how to do without ending up in a screaming match

Well I was just arguing that people generally are using AI irresponsibly, but if you want to get specific…

You say ban the users, but realistically how are they determining that? The only way to reliably check if something is AI is human intuition. There’s no tool to do that, it’s a real problem

So effectively, they made it an offense to submit AI slop. Because if you just use AI properly as a resource, no one would be able to tell

So what are you upset about?

They did basically what you suggested, they just did it by making a rule so that they can have a reason to reject slop without spending too much time justifying the rejection

People have already died to AI. It’s cute when the AI tells you to put glue on your pizza or asks you to leave your wife, it’s not so cute when architects and doctors use it

Bad information can be deadly. And if you rely too hard on AI, your cognitive abilities drop. It’s a simple mental shortcut that works on almost everything

It’s only been like 18 months, and already it’s become very apparent a lot of people can’t be trusted with it. Blame and punish those people all you want, it’ll just keep happening. Humans love their mental shortcuts

Realistically, I think we should just make it illegal to have customer facing LLMs as a service. You want an AI? Set it up yourself. It’s not hard, but realizing it’s just a file on your computer would do a lot to demystify it

We do this all the time. I’m certified for a whole bunch of heavy machinery, if I were worse people would’ve died

And even then, I’ve nearly killed someone. I haven’t, but on a couple occasions I’ve come way too close

It’s good that I went through training. Sometimes, it’s better to restrict who is able to use powerful tools

Okay, that’s pretty fair. You seem to understand the tool properly

I’d argue that version control is not the correct layer to evaluate output, but it is a tool that can be used in many different ways…I don’t think that’s a great workflow, but I can conceive situations where that’s viable enough

If I were handing out authorizations to use AI, you’d get it

That sounds like copium… But I’ll hear you out. What if VC? It better not be version control

The difference is people aren’t being responsible with AI

You’re projecting competence onto others. You speak like you’re using AI responsibly

I use AI when it makes things easier. All the time. I bet you do too. Many people are using AI without a steady hand, without the intellectual strength to use it properly in a controlled manner

Oh, I’d feel nauseous lol, those nuggets are so gross and I don’t really like the fries

I’m a huge fan of AI, but come on… It’s being used in the most reckless and insane ways. It’s so insanely destructive to society

Our experience so far has not been that AI is capable of or going to replace our labor. However, the threat of AI and the use of AI mandates has been used already to drive down wages, institute speedups, and generally degrade our working conditions.

Have you noticed how a lot of software has been getting worse, like way buggier? How three times now, huge swaths of the Internet have gone down?

It’s because tech companies keep laying people off. They’re already operating a skeleton crew, and now they’re trying to replace portions of that skeleton crew with AI

And already, it’s not working.

At this rate, remotely complicated software is going to become a lost technology

I do agree with that, fascism is really easy to organize… Granted it always has a shelf life for the same underlying reasons

But conservatism more broadly? It only feels that way because there’s been a concentrated effort for a century to propagandize people. Liberals gave so much ground that cutting social programs and public private partnerships became the default position for both parties. There’s so many lies that go uncontested… Some of the myths commonly believed about capitalism and government are insane, and that isn’t an accident

In the days of FDR it was really easy to organize for progressives… The momentum was there. People’s lives were improving noticeably, they had hope for the future, and they had confidence in the leadership

Political momentum is the key. The pendulum is shifting quickly left, so it’s becoming easier to organize on the left than it’s been for generations. It’ll get even easier if the promises are delivered on, disenfranchised voters will need less and less convincing to mobilize

Holy shit, you’re a fucking retard. Like of the “people look and laugh” scale. I’m unironically going to take your response to share with technical people in my life to laugh over

And no hate to the mentally ill, I’ve never laughed at them. I laugh with them, because they’re delightful and love joy to an extent that leaves me jealous

But you’re not a real person. You’re a joke, if your ego was two sizes smaller I’d be gently explaining to you how no number of code katas would result in Microsoft XP

No, I mean this is a well documented thing that happened… They literally infiltrated leftist groups and would sow division and call for endless votes and debates on banal issues

I am talking about intersectionality, but I don’t think we should use that word. It’s big and scares the common idiot. Also it has implications about being idpol, which is thoroughly tainted at this point

I’m not saying you have to give ground… I’m talking about focus on good messaging. You don’t have to throw trans people or Palestinians under the bus. You don’t have to hide your positions or be apologetic either

But we all need to focus on message discipline. We need to be evangelical. Houses. Healthcare. Food. Wages. Tax the rich. Fix our democracy

Basically everyone agrees on the real issues, and we must be as Mumdani. He doesn’t back down, he’s totally unapologetic about his stances, but he doesn’t get distracted

Tight, focused messaging. Universal problems, simple to understand solutions. No pamphlets, no scary words

Okay, well I disagree on the effectiveness of ML methods, they industrialized quickly but easily fell to corruption and ended up falling to capitalism

But do we really need to debate that? I’d love to build something better than capitalism, but a glorious revolution isn’t on the table.

In the mean time, I totally agree.

I bet we’d agree with everything possible to do right now. I think imperialism is bad, but I’m worried about the future for my friends and family. I’m worried about my neighbors, about my country, about human rights violations against my countrymen

But I’m not going to live or die on stopping imperialism or on Palestine - we have to fix our county so we even have the ability to resist the forces of capital at home if we ever want to reign it in globally

I don’t think we should sacrifice these issues either, but I don’t think we have to… I just think we have to focus on that can be done now. We’re not going to unwind the World Bank and the IMF to get the global south off the debt treadmill tomorrow

We could overturn citizens united and start trust busting tomorrow if we fix healthcare today. If we fix housing, and food availability. If we bring back social programs

The empire is collapsing. I think that’s set in stone.

But Rome never truly fell, the people woke up the next day. The question is, do we fall into a dark age as we wait for the contradictions of capitalism to make the economy go poof, or do we wind it down gently

I think we can make material conditions for people better, which means that when the music stops progressives will be in power and have the trust of the people

And we can argue about how to build something better then. The next steps are the same

If you believe in ML or aspects of it, fine. I don’t care if you’re a full on tankie. You can be a militant vegan or radical environmentalist too.

But when progressives march, we all have to set down (not give ground on) our single issues to join them. Because they’re the movement marching against capital right now under a banner that we can all fit under without compromising any of our goals or ideals

No we don’t. The CIA and FBI intentionally created this culture in leftist movements, why do we need to debate and reach consensus on everything?

We can just stop infighting, shut up about praxis and labels, and march together until we differ. It would leave us in a better place to go even further, however we might envision it

Healthcare, lower rents, higher pay, workers rights, tax the rich. Just get on the bus, you can get off whenever you like but we can’t all hold up the bus driver

Then what is it measuring? Right and left are directions, they’re labels that are extremely contextual

I genuinely don’t know which of many axis you might be referring to. I think you’re probably gesturing to something like equal/inequal distribution of power, but you could also mean progressive vs regressive, or even liberal vs fascist

Some guy came out of nowhere and invented a new currency. One based on ideas that couldn’t work

The nobles on one side said “we have to maintain the status quo, despite that being impossible”. The nobles on the other side said “we have to accept our financial losses and find a new way forward”

There were no other groups in the room. They were all nobility

And the whole thing went on until the starving peasants broke in and brought out the guillotines

It was not simple. It never is. What is simple is the sanitized version fed to the masses to placate them

Because we don’t have better words. We’re different, in probably 5 different ways, but there’s only one word for it

I wish. The world would be a much better place if the left could agree until we differ

Neat way to reduce a complicated situation to something simple. No deeper lessons to be learned

Thinking takes effort. It’s easy to spout platitudes

The French revolution wasn’t that simple. Read up on Honoré Gabriel Riqueti, and how he pushed the assignant and destroyed the French economy

It’s never that simple. Life, and how humanity organizes itself, is always far more complicated