Oh, and they always disagree with Netanyahu.
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I’ve fallen out with some of my German cousins. because I’m an anti Semite for not supporting everything the far right government does in Israel.
Ironically, these people are also strongly anti AFD.
don’t really get it.
fascism disguised/being sold as historical guilt and empathy for the “Jewish people”
OP, can you link some examples of “random Germans on Lemmy” defending Israel? Should be easy if you claim “there’s always one”?
No, this is strictly shit posting and subtooting to vent frustration. I’m not going to make a bunch of random Germans into targets. I usually try to engage in good faith and help change perspective. Targeting people like that would be counter to that.
So you target an entire nation instead.
In logic, there is a huge difference between existential and universal quantification.
Now, if you find reason to self identify as the “random German” that’s your own choice.
You seem to value logic, but not math. If you refuse to even tell us how many comment sections with “random Germans” defending Israel led you to make your post, it looks very much like you’re basing your judgment about a whole nation on insufficient data. Any statistician will tell you that you need a significant sample in order to make generalized statements like you did.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s. You’re in a memes community and you’re demanding an empirical study with statistical significance.
judgment about a whole nation
Repeat: there is a difference between exists and forall. I’m not judging “all Germans”.
(I do have however very strong opinions about the German state, media, and political class, and its despicable laws, positions, and biases, but German official genocide denialism is a different discussion.)
You particularly referred to the Germans, and you said there’s “always one”, thereby singling out the Germans as being particularly bad in this respect. I’d hoped you would be able to at least give some kind of evidence for this claim of yours. Seems like you can’t and don’t want to.
“Everytime I drive on the highway there is always some random male driver that tailgates me.”
When you read that, do you understand that “all men tailgate”?
Don’t comment on things
DIESE KOMMENTARSEKTION IST NUN EIGENTUM DER BUNDESREPUBLIK
I think a lot of that has to do with fear of criticizing israel because for decades, the only ones who did so were neonazis; if someone ranted a few years back about Israel or “the jews”, you could be 99% sure about their political orientation. It takes time to overcome that, especially if you don’t reexamine your take on political issues on the regular, what few people do. Hell, it took time for me to overcome that and i really try to inspect issues from all sides before deciding my stance of things.
Having said that, there aren’t any excuses anymore. even if you thought in the beginning that it was all lies and antisemitism, the overwhelming mountain of evidence of the IDFs behaviour cant be refuted anymore unless you have an agenda.
Neo nazis were absolutely not the only people critisizing Isreal in the past. Isreal just called everyone that regardless, and it seems like it worked. The earliest opposition to Zionism by necessity were Jews because that community is where those original discussions happened.
yeah, i can only offer my perspective, which is austrian - and it seems that those discussions were kept away from my surroundings; in our politics right-wing politicians surrounding the FPÖ were the only ones who criticized jews in a public way, and they did it because they are literally populist antisemites, rising from what the denazification didn’t eradicate. I myself became aware of the apartheid only a few years back, and like i said, i wasn’t so sure if it wasn’t facebook-style propaganda.
The earliest opposition to Zionism by necessity were Jews because that community is where those original discussions happened.
And Jews still are the biggest critics of Zionism! There is nothing inevitable about Zionism becoming the expression of Jewish self-identity. Zionism became the dominant model for Jewish self-conception because the other models, such as Bundist Doikayt, were exterminated in the Holocaust. In that sense, Jews rediscovering extra-Zionist Jewishnesses is a reaffirmation of the breadth of the Jewish experience that was stolen by the Nazis!
Yeah, but they were the ones who made people believe that “Zionism” was a conspiracy theory of 'Jews wanting to exterminate the Goyim" (!).
Antideutschers
Controversial take: you shouldn’t have institutional rape. Anyone who riots for their right to rape is maybe not good.
Zionists: fuck you, you’re hamas!
I see many germans like this everyday. Shame to share the same soil
One day I hope you at least don’t need to share the same side of the soil as them
Is there an article giving context and outcome of that picture?
History
Seems unnecessarily divisive. You could apply this template to practically any group of groups. But, ya know… go team!
Which teams? The critisism of genocide team and the… progenocide team?
If condemnation of apartheid and genocide is divisive, then maybe that’s a useful division to bring to the foreground. I don’t understand what it is that you see as the problem here. Can you explain?
You can and should condemn apartheid and genocide; but who is the “random German on Lemmy”? Are Germans bad? Is there a specific user you’re referring to, or are you casting a wide net and making “Germans” an outgroup? Maybe I don’t get it, but it looks like you’re condemning one thing at the expense of another… and that’s unnecessarily divisive to me if your only goal was to bring something into the foreground of conversation. Can you explain what your meme means?
Germany is very pro-Israel even with the ongoing genocide. What don’t you understand?
My meme is an expression of my own experience that a bit too often when Israeli apartheid and genocide come up on lemmy, invariably some German user pops up and starts shifting the discourse to victim blaming the Palestinians. That’s not “all Germans bad”, just like when we criticize American users for making every single topic be about Democrats and Republicans, we are not saying “all Americans bad”. I complain about a tendency, not condemning an ethnic group.
I see what you’re saying, I guess it comes off as “all Germans” to me because “a random German” sounds like, “any random sample of Germans is likely to contain a xenophobic/nationalist individual”; when I feel like that could be the case for almost any random group… thus, unnecessarily creating an outgroup
Maybe instead of “random German person on Lemmy”, it could be “random xenophobic German person on Lemmy”…a little wordy, but it captures the irony of your statement, while also bringing the atrocities of Isreal to the forefront of attention
Idk, maybe I’m too much of a/an (insert label) and I’m killing the joke by overthinking
Edit: maybe it’s like mentioning “school shootings and guns” or “pittbulls” and inevitably awakening the indignant who just “have to comment and prove their point”… thus proving (and reinforcing) your own point. To me, it feels like introducing discussion on an already lopsided court; though I still respect your self-expression. I just feel it could be a little more nuanced so as to avoid any extra division… but that’s just my own two cents
I hear you! Wish I had been more careful with the phrasing
I think it’s because everyone expects Germans to know better. And it’s pretty sad when it looks like the lesson that was learnt wasn’t “subjugation and genocide of a targeted demographic is bad” but instead “criticism of Israel is bad”.
People expect it from magas and religious nutters but not from Germans in 2025.
I appreciate the explanation. It still seems unnecessarily divisive though. If one had no context at all, this meme would just come off as “all Germans bad” or “all Germans are (insert one’s perception)”. Internalization of reactionary media isn’t rational, and this just seems to throw fuel on a fire that doesn’t even exist
People are just people at the end of the day, and some are less informed or more hateful than others, wherever you go. No need to create an outgroup in order to condemn something inherently evil
I’m sorry but pro-Palestinian demonstration is literally illegal in Germany now. This is not a small minority that OP is referring to. Polls show the vast majority of Germans support Israel no matter what they do. That’s not a nasty stereotype but deeply embedded in German culture
See, there it is again. “It’s a German thing. It’s not a stereotype, all Germans are”. You have to see the irony in what your statement boils down to. Anecdotes are funny little things that can really cause harm when internalized at face value
It’s not anecdote. There is a qualitative difference between how Germany and other European countries view Israel. If you can’t see that or don’t want to talk about it, we have nothing to discuss
