Agree. If the system is codified to allow them to get off absolutely free, in terms of legal culpability, at least they get to pay in some other form. Compared to their victims being, ya know, dead, a somewhat-modicum of eternal torment seems reasonable.
If someone has PTSD for something that happened to them, like being victims of abuse or being invaded by westerners who killed your family, then PTSD is valid. but I think PTSD is not valid if that person is the one committing those atrocities, that should be diagnosable as guilt and something they have to live with. Therefore, I think war criminals crying about PTSD and have flashbacks of driving over children on a tractor, then fuck you, that is not PTSD and it distracts from actual PTSD victims.
In a just world they would face consequences for their actions. instead the closest thing they get is to “feel sad about it” then the whole state bends over backwards to coddle them and make them feel good.
Fuck off, I hope the guilt of their actions haunts them till their dying breath. They choose to enlist when they were legal adults. if an 18 year old gets drunk and runs over some children no one would care about them. but if an 18 year old signs up to kill children in the other side of the world it’s ok? they are then called heroes and given discounts?
yhea, we can vent on how the states encourages it, but by the end they willingly signed up to murder people. what did they expect?
For many it is their only hope of escaping poverty or owning property. “Convenient” for the state that this is the case.
Desperate people are willing to do horrible things. To what extent are they to blame for being exploited? The state’s policies allow and encourage poverty, destitution, and desperation, then exploit it.
I don’t think one is just or even absolved by their exploitation, but I can have empathy.
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The state doesn’t treat veterans much better than dogs. Some get to leave with work experience, savings, and education, others get to crawl in the streets until they starve.
For many it is their only hope of escaping poverty or owning property
Fuck that shit ass-political whitewashing lie; the US is not and has not ever been in that bad of a situation that the options are “engage in mass murdering or die”. They literally invade entire other countries of the world.
Don’t want to engage in mass murder? There’s at least 380 options! You can be a nurse, a fireman, a municipal councilor, a packager, a uber driver, or if you’re THAT desperate, a drug leader for your local drug dealership branch.
there is no soldiertariat. the person who joins the USian military is typically white, welloff and ideologically aligned with imperialism. they joined because they could and they wanted to. the military is the vanguard party of fascism.
We can talk all about that. but the moment they agree to play the government game and make their lives better by destroying lives somewhere else they are now part of that system and not it’s victims. Same with all those ICE agents.
Have empathy with them until they decide to be a class traitor. If it was up to me they would be in jail to mellow with their PTSD. not in the general public.
Same as joining a gang. Participate in violence and you get a roof over your head and maybe a couple meals. Wether or not it makes them “bad people” or “class traitors” doesn’t change the pressures and incentives at play. There are few alternatives and fewer viable ones.
How often it calls them heroes? or gives them healthcare (still shitty because it’s America, but more healthcare than the general population)? or makes it socially unacceptable to criticise them, like I’m doing now and bootlickers are downvoting men and complaining.
fuck em all, you know how easy it is not to get PTSD from murdering people in poor countries? it’s super easy, just don’t sign up to kill people in poor countries.
That’s not the point. The point is that fully funded, comprehensive health care rather than over-funded death and destruction would give people emotional survival skills beyond perpetration of aggression.
How people are socialized (brainwashed) from birth is a thing. I didn’t do it, and I taught my kid not to do it, and that’s hard in a society that has kids pledge allegiance to a flag from preschool onward. I was heavily pressured by my whole family but one grandparent who shared with me the horrors of shell shocked brothers returning after mandatory conscription. I also read a lot, still mostly propaganda. I consider myself fortunate. Not everyone has the mental fortitude to withstand the pressure and accusations of not being patriotic. Do I think they bear personal responsibility? Yes; and the blame goes back to the very foundation of the United States.
Yhea, but my rule of thumb, the moment someone chooses to stop being a victim of those cycles and becomes the cause of that cycle all empathy and and understanding get flushed away. and instead I rather focus on their victims.
the real problem is when those murderers come home and feel sad. Will somebody think of the poor state sanctioned murderers!!
This is actually a propaganda tactic called shooting and crying.
Of course it is a hebrew expression from the IDF
I’m glad they have PTSD 🤷♂️
The only thing that seems to curb their baser impulses is the haunting memory of the horror they committed.
It’s not the soldier with PTSD who should scare you. It’s the sociopath who came back seemingly normal.
Chris Kyle
Taking your cold-as-ice schizophrenic friend to the gun range, then treating him like shit.
What could go wrong?
Agree. If the system is codified to allow them to get off absolutely free, in terms of legal culpability, at least they get to pay in some other form. Compared to their victims being, ya know, dead, a somewhat-modicum of eternal torment seems reasonable.
Tbh, that’s the best argument.
The closest thing to their victims haunting them.
If someone has PTSD for something that happened to them, like being victims of abuse or being invaded by westerners who killed your family, then PTSD is valid. but I think PTSD is not valid if that person is the one committing those atrocities, that should be diagnosable as guilt and something they have to live with. Therefore, I think war criminals crying about PTSD and have flashbacks of driving over children on a tractor, then fuck you, that is not PTSD and it distracts from actual PTSD victims.
people downvoting you can fuck off.
In a just world they would face consequences for their actions. instead the closest thing they get is to “feel sad about it” then the whole state bends over backwards to coddle them and make them feel good.
Fuck off, I hope the guilt of their actions haunts them till their dying breath. They choose to enlist when they were legal adults. if an 18 year old gets drunk and runs over some children no one would care about them. but if an 18 year old signs up to kill children in the other side of the world it’s ok? they are then called heroes and given discounts?
yhea, we can vent on how the states encourages it, but by the end they willingly signed up to murder people. what did they expect?
For many it is their only hope of escaping poverty or owning property. “Convenient” for the state that this is the case.
Desperate people are willing to do horrible things. To what extent are they to blame for being exploited? The state’s policies allow and encourage poverty, destitution, and desperation, then exploit it.
I don’t think one is just or even absolved by their exploitation, but I can have empathy.
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The state doesn’t treat veterans much better than dogs. Some get to leave with work experience, savings, and education, others get to crawl in the streets until they starve.
Fuck that shit ass-political whitewashing lie; the US is not and has not ever been in that bad of a situation that the options are “engage in mass murdering or die”. They literally invade entire other countries of the world.
Don’t want to engage in mass murder? There’s at least 380 options! You can be a nurse, a fireman, a municipal councilor, a packager, a uber driver, or if you’re THAT desperate, a drug leader for your local drug dealership branch.
there is no soldiertariat. the person who joins the USian military is typically white, welloff and ideologically aligned with imperialism. they joined because they could and they wanted to. the military is the vanguard party of fascism.
I don’t have any sympathy for those who joined from a position of privilege. I acknowledge that is likely the majority of service members.
There’s also the many, many poor rural children that join for nationalistic reasons, already far down the path to fascism.
We can talk all about that. but the moment they agree to play the government game and make their lives better by destroying lives somewhere else they are now part of that system and not it’s victims. Same with all those ICE agents.
Have empathy with them until they decide to be a class traitor. If it was up to me they would be in jail to mellow with their PTSD. not in the general public.
Same as joining a gang. Participate in violence and you get a roof over your head and maybe a couple meals. Wether or not it makes them “bad people” or “class traitors” doesn’t change the pressures and incentives at play. There are few alternatives and fewer viable ones.
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Oh man, how dare we be mean to the people who signed up to murder brown people! Won’t someone be civil to the murderers?!
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Gladly, point me to one so I can mock them for killing innocents.
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You should do stand-up. That’s pretty funny.
How often it calls them heroes? or gives them healthcare (still shitty because it’s America, but more healthcare than the general population)? or makes it socially unacceptable to criticise them, like I’m doing now and bootlickers are downvoting men and complaining.
fuck em all, you know how easy it is not to get PTSD from murdering people in poor countries? it’s super easy, just don’t sign up to kill people in poor countries.
Keep going. You’ve almost got a tight 5 there.
Oh no, I’ve upset the bootlickers, woe is me
Oof. You aren’t the brightest, are you?
before trying to make me feel bad, how about you remove that boot from your mouth ?
The PTSD is part of why they have the join the military mentality.
Yes, because the way to cope with cycles of abuse is to perpetuate it.
Do you recommend that people should beat their kids if they got beaten up as kids?
That’s not the point. The point is that fully funded, comprehensive health care rather than over-funded death and destruction would give people emotional survival skills beyond perpetration of aggression.
Still their fault the moment they decided to become the abusers and inflict more horrors on the world. that is a choice they made.
But yhea, healthcare and education should be universal and not tied to being a mercenary for the empire
How people are socialized (brainwashed) from birth is a thing. I didn’t do it, and I taught my kid not to do it, and that’s hard in a society that has kids pledge allegiance to a flag from preschool onward. I was heavily pressured by my whole family but one grandparent who shared with me the horrors of shell shocked brothers returning after mandatory conscription. I also read a lot, still mostly propaganda. I consider myself fortunate. Not everyone has the mental fortitude to withstand the pressure and accusations of not being patriotic. Do I think they bear personal responsibility? Yes; and the blame goes back to the very foundation of the United States.
https://storychanges.com/what-is-the-child-development-hypothesis-of-ivan-pavlov.html
Yhea, but my rule of thumb, the moment someone chooses to stop being a victim of those cycles and becomes the cause of that cycle all empathy and and understanding get flushed away. and instead I rather focus on their victims.
My larger point is, without addressing the cause, victims will perpetuate.
For example, toe gets gangrene, amputate the toe without addressing the blood clot in the leg, or fasting blood sugar level of 200.