The United States isn’t Denmark or the Netherlands; we have been building bike unfriendly roads for a century, and it’s not going to be trivially undone by painting a white line on the side.
Or you do what I’ve seen some cities do and you close certain roads to car traffic entirely, and then send the bikes down there. Further increase the efficiency of both modes of traffic while eliminating collisions. Create walkable and bikeable sections of town that cars can travel between.
Of course you should ban cars from areas of the city, but bikes still need to travel between those islands. If your “pedestrian area” is an island everyone has to drive to get to, it will fail.
At that point, you can do things like pedestrian bridges, over/underpasses with roads and streets, or level crossings with signals. Instead of trying to mix traffic everywhere, have the two systems meet at certain well designed controlled spots. Instead of bikers being in a near constant state of “I am in traffic”, have certain points along their journey be “I am crossing a road.” These areas will almost certainly drive both cars and bikes to stop, and then one or the other gets to go at a time, rather than both are in motion failing to predict the other’s movements.
Bikes are a much denser form a transportation; you can have 100s of bikes cross an intersection in the time it takes 4 cars to cross. You don’t want a traffic system where both have to wait, you prioritize the more efficient form of transit.
Not quite sure about that. Denmark famously had a bicycle regiment during WW2. We’ve never been anywhere near as car centric as places like the US, for various reasons including, but probably not limited to:
Our cities and towns are really close. I can cycle for 30 minutes and get through 3-4 towns around my rural parts.
We have had excellent public transportation for a very long time.
Old ass cities are really bad for big roads, so instead you get a bunch of crammed roads that are awful to navigate, resulting in more people prefering their bike, since it’s about as fast anyway.
We have a very high (compared to the USA) tax on cars, gas and everything relating to it. This started in the 70’s when oil got scarce. To try to make people conserve oil, we started to tax the shit out of it, and kept doing it. As a result, driving a large vehicles is super expensive, and if you CAN live without one, you’re much better off riding a bicycle.
This is not to say that the person you responded to isn’t completely wrong about everything, it’s just not going to help acting like we’ve ever been as crazy about our cars as they have always been. It could also be a decent roadmap for how to get rid of the huge deathtraps, and get people more excited about bicycles.
Sure. I’m from the Netherlands, we did use bikes more often. But if you look at infrastructure from the fifties and compare that to today there’s a world of change. Cars were everywhere and bike lanes just a line on the road.
The United States isn’t Denmark or the Netherlands; we have been building bike unfriendly roads for a century, and it’s not going to be trivially undone by painting a white line on the side.
Right, so you don’t stop at a white line, you lower speed limits+add speed bumps, or protect your bikelanes.
Or you do what I’ve seen some cities do and you close certain roads to car traffic entirely, and then send the bikes down there. Further increase the efficiency of both modes of traffic while eliminating collisions. Create walkable and bikeable sections of town that cars can travel between.
Of course you should ban cars from areas of the city, but bikes still need to travel between those islands. If your “pedestrian area” is an island everyone has to drive to get to, it will fail.
At that point, you can do things like pedestrian bridges, over/underpasses with roads and streets, or level crossings with signals. Instead of trying to mix traffic everywhere, have the two systems meet at certain well designed controlled spots. Instead of bikers being in a near constant state of “I am in traffic”, have certain points along their journey be “I am crossing a road.” These areas will almost certainly drive both cars and bikes to stop, and then one or the other gets to go at a time, rather than both are in motion failing to predict the other’s movements.
Bikes are a much denser form a transportation; you can have 100s of bikes cross an intersection in the time it takes 4 cars to cross. You don’t want a traffic system where both have to wait, you prioritize the more efficient form of transit.
They didn’t come out of nowhere in those countries. They were once as car centric as everywhere else.
‘if you build it, it will come’
Not quite sure about that. Denmark famously had a bicycle regiment during WW2. We’ve never been anywhere near as car centric as places like the US, for various reasons including, but probably not limited to:
This is not to say that the person you responded to isn’t completely wrong about everything, it’s just not going to help acting like we’ve ever been as crazy about our cars as they have always been. It could also be a decent roadmap for how to get rid of the huge deathtraps, and get people more excited about bicycles.
Sure. I’m from the Netherlands, we did use bikes more often. But if you look at infrastructure from the fifties and compare that to today there’s a world of change. Cars were everywhere and bike lanes just a line on the road.
All of those are policy choices though. None of that (except the old cities) happened by accident