PrivacyGuide.net mostly has US providers for these and given the current situation with the US, let’s say using US services doesn’t feel very private at all, regardless of how strong the claims are.
I’m not looking for total privacy, but just to start being more private until the EU gets its ducks a row regarding payment systems (VISA and Mastercard still dominate and make you transparent or at least translucid).
Simple… Dont trust European spy solutions. Europe is the same bullshit
Edit: Downvoters… Learn about 5,9 and 14 eyes… the agreements with America that give them access to everything, etc. Chat monitoring wasn’t the only bad thing… In the meantime, other things were pushed through… There’s a reason why providers are considering leaving the EU.
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Your “private” proton… https://lemmy.world/comment/21151608 But trust them they dont have keys… 🙄
Do you mean to say e.g. Proton is not private?
I’m aware of five eyes, but how would that make Proton not private? Simply stating “n eyes” and “agreements with America” comes across strongly as unfounded conspiracy. Can you be much more specific?
First of all, what do you consider private… Meta data is already collected anyway… The next thing is… Compulsion by legislators, and that is exactly where our laws are heading… That is why Proton wants to leave, because it is being forced by law and otherwise the entrepreneurs at Proton will face legal problems.
@IceFoxX @staircase Proton faces the same problems that any commercial organisation faces in that they have to operate according to their local laws and cooperate with their local law enforcement.
They will offer a degree of privacy which is generally useful but you can’t expect them to protect you if you are planning a revolution :)
Oh… wait 3-4 years and then you’ll curse when the states use them against you. If it even takes that long… State Trojans, backdoors, etc. The list is endless… Or the reasons that can now lead to arrests. Political views, religious views, sexual views… it’s becoming more and more of a target. Soon there will be digital IDs, digital euros, and at least one bank account linked to them dont forget age verification. The crackdown on VPNs, etc.
Which alternatives do you propose then? Which service running in which country would you propose to use?
I recommend: “We are so screwed! Any privacy is an illusion. Be aware of this and remain skeptical.”
I also said that you couldn’t trust it. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use it, but you shouldn’t be naive and trust it… If you want it to be secure (not private… still the same metadata), encrypt the messages locally with gpg and only then send them afterwards by email.
That’s just being defeatist. Not my jam. Thanks.
Common sense should prevail, but everyone else will ignore it anyway. As soon as I mentioned gpg, I was met with immediate opposition… Why bother arguing with people who are resistant to learning? It’s pointless. So trust Europe… Hitler was too long ago… You can no longer imagine the consequences… Just carry on and wait 3-4 years, then you’ll regret it.
In addition, the question before that was which service could still be trusted… That alone says it all… You can’t trust a third party… Never…
Email aliases are typically used for account signups so said services have no way of connecting accounts. If the alias provider is at least as private and secure as your regular email provider it can be a net win. PGP is rarely an option here, and usual caveat that email is already a nightmare bad thing for authenticating accounts.
Oh, I see… so the European surveillance apparatus currently being set up by the countries doesn’t matter… It’s only about the service providers. Pretty naive. The fact that Europe wants to surpass China’s surveillance apparatus, apart from social credit (which is planned for 2032, I believe), should set off alarm bells for everyone.
I am amazed thats what you took from my comment.
I am surprised by the naivety and ignorance. A few years ago, you all reacted in exactly the same way when the same thing was said about American services, and it is so sad that humanity is resistant to learning and still hasn’t learned anything from Snowden.
Have fun going through life with your blinders on.
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I am trying to find what the heck you think you are replying to.
Come back to reality first… But as blind as you are, it won’t work anyway.