Pardon the circlejerk interruption, and believe me I hate BMW just as much as the next person, but this is just a patent application. Like, if you realize your logo has the potential to be a screw head, why would you not patent it to prevent others from using the design.
It’s not made it into any cars, and so far as I’ve seen there are no plans. Even if it does I’d think it’d only be used in some customer-facing application; interior maybe, or decorative attachments in the engine like valve covers etc. Slightly asshole that you’d need a different tool, but not exactly the end of the world unless they actively prevented the tool from being made.
Did you see the Rossman video about this? The patent explicitly calls out that the reason for this design is to prevent people from using it without the proper “authorization” or told or whatever. It is not about branding or better functionality or anything else
So it’s just another pattern of tamper resistant screw, this time with tacky branding. Those have been used for decades on cars, idk this feels very blown out of proportion. People are acting like it’s evil when it’s just a normal thing but cosmetically way uglier.
Used to be called patent trolling, but now that all the big corporations that own the politicians deciding patent law are doing it, it’s considered “prudent business practice”
IBM alone files more patents that they’ll never use (except for lawsuits in case someone else does something useful with something similar) in a year than most companies file IN TOTAL for several decades.
How? In this specific case it’s about brand identity, so I don’t think anyone else would make BMW-shaped screws. But in general, how is “I had this idea, I don’t want to make it, but want to stop others from making it” good?
how is “I had this idea, I don’t want to make it, but want to stop others from making it” good?
It isn’t under ANY circumstances and to think so without being the patent trolling asshole yourself is some Stockholm syndrome level simping for the overlords.
Yeah the patent doesn’t mention anything about it being a security screw as far as I can tell, it just looks like they patented a dumbass design that’s only useful for the aesthetics and people are making some sensational headlines. Like, yeah, we’d just get or make the bits to undo them - they also know that?
Honestly, it doesn’t look like a dumbass screw to me. Phillips heads are dumbass screws. It is a shit design. This actually looks quite solid as a screw head.
… What are you talking about? The design ensures you can’t be anything but perpendicular to it in order to have any positive engagement, and Phillips screws are so notoriously bad about camming out at even ideal angles that it’s been popularly believed that was an intentional design feature (it wasn’t phillips screws just suck) for almost as long as they’ve existed.
They will have the patent on the corresponding driver for the screw, and i doubt they will allow third party shops to purchase the drivers for anything resembling a reasonable price. Meaning that you will be forced to take the car to a BMW authorized mechanic. It’s taking away the consumer’s right to repair.
Pardon the circlejerk interruption, and believe me I hate BMW just as much as the next person, but this is just a patent application. Like, if you realize your logo has the potential to be a screw head, why would you not patent it to prevent others from using the design.
It’s not made it into any cars, and so far as I’ve seen there are no plans. Even if it does I’d think it’d only be used in some customer-facing application; interior maybe, or decorative attachments in the engine like valve covers etc. Slightly asshole that you’d need a different tool, but not exactly the end of the world unless they actively prevented the tool from being made.
My two cents
Did you see the Rossman video about this? The patent explicitly calls out that the reason for this design is to prevent people from using it without the proper “authorization” or told or whatever. It is not about branding or better functionality or anything else
Idk what a rossman video is, but bmw, being a german company, is beholden to Right to Repair. They need to make the tool available
Here you go
https://youtu.be/oM0W1li-a7g
So it’s just another pattern of tamper resistant screw, this time with tacky branding. Those have been used for decades on cars, idk this feels very blown out of proportion. People are acting like it’s evil when it’s just a normal thing but cosmetically way uglier.
That’s fair, an on brand for BMW.
After the whole heated seats subscription bullshit I expect only the worst from them.
That’s a fair point.
Patenting things you don’t have intention of actually doing, “just in case”, is just shit tbh.
Used to be called patent trolling, but now that all the big corporations that own the politicians deciding patent law are doing it, it’s considered “prudent business practice”
IBM alone files more patents that they’ll never use (except for lawsuits in case someone else does something useful with something similar) in a year than most companies file IN TOTAL for several decades.
That is such fucking bullshit.
Please elaborate.
Bad phrasing, that they do that is such fucking bullshit, that’s fucked. Fuck IBM is what I was saying.
It can prevent others from doing it, which can be a net good.
How? In this specific case it’s about brand identity, so I don’t think anyone else would make BMW-shaped screws. But in general, how is “I had this idea, I don’t want to make it, but want to stop others from making it” good?
It isn’t under ANY circumstances and to think so without being the patent trolling asshole yourself is some Stockholm syndrome level simping for the overlords.
Design patents only last 15 years max. Unless they intend to use it, its just purely a publicity stunt.
No, there is no way for that to be a net good. That is brainwashed propaganda shit.
Yeah the patent doesn’t mention anything about it being a security screw as far as I can tell, it just looks like they patented a dumbass design that’s only useful for the aesthetics and people are making some sensational headlines. Like, yeah, we’d just get or make the bits to undo them - they also know that?
Honestly, it doesn’t look like a dumbass screw to me. Phillips heads are dumbass screws. It is a shit design. This actually looks quite solid as a screw head.
It will cam out and chowder if you’re not 100% perpendicular to it, I would say it’s actually worse than a phillips screw
… What are you talking about? The design ensures you can’t be anything but perpendicular to it in order to have any positive engagement, and Phillips screws are so notoriously bad about camming out at even ideal angles that it’s been popularly believed that was an intentional design feature (it wasn’t phillips screws just suck) for almost as long as they’ve existed.
They will have the patent on the corresponding driver for the screw, and i doubt they will allow third party shops to purchase the drivers for anything resembling a reasonable price. Meaning that you will be forced to take the car to a BMW authorized mechanic. It’s taking away the consumer’s right to repair.
fortunately i shop internationally and from vendors located outside their patent coverage.
It’s all conjecture at this point. The patent alone on the screw head I understand, because companies are obligated to protect their logo.
You dont need a patent to protect a trademark.
Not to mention the odds of it having a better torque rating then any standard screw is low.
You would need a dedicated factory to build these at great expense for fancy looking screw heads.
the alleged application was critical fasteners that people shouldn’t be working with, like frame connections
of course, this is bullshit, because it’s been fine for the past half century, so why wouldn’t it be now?
We’ve used tamper resistant screws as critical fasteners for that entire half a century, this is just a new and uglier version.
Naivete manifested in comment form.