Christians say, “God is omnipotent. He is all-powerful. He can literally do anything, including giving people superpowers, etc. God can do ANYTHING. He could make pigs fly with a snap of the fingers; he could create infinite universes with just speaking it into existence.” But, at the same time, these same people say, “God had to send his son to die because it was the only way.”
Okay, then God is not all-powerful then, lol. He’s not omnipotent. That’s literally the opposite of omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, then he literally had infinite options. In fact, if he’s this powerful, then sending his son is a really dumb idea and makes zero sense.
I don’t know if this comparison makes sense, but in The Flash TV show, when they were fighting a speedster named Savitar, there was a building with metahuman power dampeners so you can’t use your powers inside this building. Savitar was going to kill Iris West, so what would be the smart thing to do??? Maybe put Iris in this building because Savitar can’t use his powers inside it. Case closed. It would make no sense for this option to be here but then for Team Flash to say, “We know this easier and smarter option exists, but Iris, you dying is the only way we can stop Savitar and save you.”
See what I mean? Point is, if God is omnipotent, then Jesus dying wasn’t the only way. Jesus being tortured so he could feel all the pain of sin was not necessary. If you’re saying this was the only way, then fine, but don’t say God is all-powerful and limitless, because clearly there are limits to God’s own power.
Whenever your thoughts about God become longer than a shit post you’ve officially put too much thought into it
Imagine playing civilization IV and everything is just peaceful, boring isn’t it? Gad also have right to have fun and see the nukes fly
Whenever someone brings God or any other omnipotent supernatural being into the realm of reality and try to have a semblance of a logical reasoning, everything just falls apart and stops making sense.
It is a common belief among evangelicals that the universe and everything in it was created 6000 years ago. Naturally you can tell them that it can’t be right because we’ve found dinosaur bones hundreds of millions of years old. Common response to that is God buried those fake bones to test your faith. On the surface it makes sense because of course omnipotent being can create anything it wants. However once you dig slightly deeper the entire premise turns into a complete farce. You say to yourself, why not 1000 years instead of 6000? Why not 100 years? Why not five years or even five days? Five minutes? Yes, it’s entirely possible for omnipotent being to have created the entire universe five minutes ago put fake memory into everyone and we won’t know it. You can basically just make up stuff and that makes just as much sense.
My point is once entertain the existence of God then anything and everything is possible to the point where having an intellectually honest conversation no longer matters. To me this is a mathematical equivalent of dividing by zero. This is why I believe science and religion are diametrically opposing beliefs that cannot be bridged.
I’m sure my reasoning would bounce off just one question later, but my next question would be that if god knows everything then why does he test people’s faith? He doesn’t need to, since he knows already whether you have faith or not. Also, are hundreds of million years old dinosaur bones really the most brilliant way of testing someone’s faith?
He’s all powerful, but He’s just fueled by blood is all.
You see, the blood is the life and that is why God is all powerful, He just needs lots of blood! It’s simple.
(It’s not even a joke, according to Bible. Paraphrased a little bit)
The entire Christian story is a giant plot hole because it tries to make us root for a hero who is just too powerful. I can buy a character who is all-seeing and all-powerful and in control of everything, but I CANNOT buy that character being purely good. Any character that controls everything and yet bad things happen, is a morally grey character at best. Him being that powerful and yet we’re supposed to see him as purely good, just doesn’t work.
Not to mention, the Bible depicts him doing a lot of very evil things. No reasonable person can read this character as purely good.
The hero being in control of everything doesn’t work because there can be no believable villain. They try to create a villain, a nemesis, to say God isn’t behind the bad. They made Satan to be the antagonist, but they try to have it both ways by making God still be all powerful and ultimately plan everything Satan does.
And then they want God’s climactic heroic act to be suffering the punishment for mankind’s sin in our place but the whole idea is a plot hole because it only works if there is someone demanding mankind be punished for our sins. Who is demanding that? Satan? The story might work better if it were Satan but they want us to believe it is God himself, which renders the sacrifice pointless. Some argue that it wouldn’t be just for God to just let people off for their crimes without some form of punishment, but I don’t see how punishing himself fixes that.
Who says it was the only way? Because I think nothing in the Bible says it was the only way, is the way God choose to so for us regular people it is the only way but as we can’t comprehend the mind of a God we can’t understand the actions either.
God is Father so one way to try to understand the actions is to try to imagine a Father teaching a kid, now imagine said kid has millions of personalities, free will, is violent, envious, luscious and most of the time the kid believes he is more powerful and more intelligent than any parent but also is mortal, weak and afraid of everything, specially himself.
Yeah none of this really makes any sense.
Matthew 26 says this was the only way.
O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt
Jesus literally say if there were another way, let us do that.
So yes, if you believe in the Bible, you believe that there’s was not another way to let the suffering pass, not another way to bring salvation to everyone.
This being said, it’s all bullshit. I studied for decades. Taught for years, served as a missionary, leader, etc. There isn’t anything on this earth that proves the asinine shit in the Bible. I’ve studied every religious text I could, read them over and over. And watched the evil shit we do, watched the damage those in every church create and allow to happen. Watched as those that are supposedly ordained of God do nothing but evil. Fuck religion. Fuck idiots that believe.
what many people don’t understand about actions the christian God made is that she had to make decisions that allowed for humans to understand that she sent Jesus to prove there’s a better way to live and that you don’t need to live in shame or subservience. What is the one thing that can’t be faked in our world? Death. That’s why it was a big deal.
You’ve re-framed an old philosophical problem: Why does (an omnipotent, benevolent) God allow evil? See Theodicy on Wikipedia
Also, Elijah didn’t need to die and could be saved? Yet Jesus needed to die? Right.
Honestly, though. The mere concept of original sin is enough to say fuck that. Putting something on someone who had no choice in the matter is fucking evil.
And that’s before getting into the general shittiness most religions enable/do that ruin lives constantly.
“god” has proven that it is not all powerful. It has never helped anyone. Abrahamic religions are just a different version of all the other mythologies that Humans have made up to explain the unexplainable. And too many individuals use that antiquated & outdated information to harm people and steal their money.
Think about the absurdity of the “all knowing, all seeing” gods. They watch you poop, eat breakfast & masturbate. What a sick stalker. Holy books are just a very old volume of badly written fiction, usually by anonymous authors.
Religions (all of them) are just a bunch bullshit nonsense. In other news, water is wet.
The only actual answer here.
Jesus “died” so god could forgive the sins against the rules he himself made up. You don’t need to be all-powerfull and/or all-knowing to forgive, and for sure is it not needed to sacrifice something living.
He could just have forgiven, generell amnesties are a thing humans do and we are neither gods nor have we any all-something powers.
Yeah the whole “God is all powerful and all knowing” would mean that he can stop things like children’s cancer but he chooses not to.
the whole “God is all powerful and all knowing” would mean that he can stop things like children’s cancer but he chooses not to.
God is either not all powerful or not all good.
consider that god is neither
I’m not Christian but was unfortunately raised in a very conservative Christian environment.
The argument they made up to deal with people asking this question was that god intentionally limits his power to give us true free will. I remember asking myself the first time I heard this, “but if he’s all powerful couldn’t he find a way to give us free will and prevent us from suffering?”
Eventually I realized arguing with these people is a waste of time.
Correct. God is nothing
But something, something Satan, something something free will, something something God’s test 😱🤢
Bill Hicks: “Okay, dinosaur bones.”
“God put those there to test our faith.”
“…l think god put you here to test my faith.”
makes zero sense
that about sums up religion in general, well done. I think that about wraps the thread up, honestly. good work, everyone!
of course not, he tried to make us a woman out of our rib first, but it didn’t work
