I can’t even comprehend how liberals in my country are coming up with the “Maduro was a d i c t a t o r, America is liberating the Venezuelan people” shtick on their own, when Trump has already given the game away.
It’s the narrative that will keep people going to work. History is allowed to repeat itself because people like you and I have failed in getting others to care or pay attention. It’s obvious to us. But at the end of the day; the left has failed in the west. It doesn’t matter if we’re correctly able to see the world for ourselves.
We are losing the battle. But the war will wage beyond our lifetimes. We can only keep fighting. Don’t focus your anger at individual liberals. It is our job to educate them. This is that opportunity.
You don’t need to turn everyone into a Marxist. You just need to them to have enough hatred for their ruling class to support us when the opportunity arises for change. Whether that’s in our lifetime or not.
Nudging the shitlibs a degree, making them just a smidgeon less obedient. Just a fraction more likely to cause problems for their masters. It’s so important.
Ride the train at rush hour. Talk to people. Maybe do something unthinkably cool¹.
¹doesn’t need to be difficult or huge. Just nudge the edges of possibility. For the MLM thing, maybe bring a keg of something good and seasonally temperatured on the train on Friday just after people get off work, one 8 oz cup per person. Arrange for one car on each train headed away from the parts of town people work to where the working class live to have live music-nothing loud, nothing edgy, but make sure the musician is competent.
You don’t need to turn everyone into a Marxist. You just need to them to have enough hatred for their ruling class to support us when the opportunity arises for change. Whether that’s in our lifetime or not.
Lucky the left is much more diverse than just red-fash. There’s no point throwing one set of genocidal masters out for a second.
When someone scrolls through your comment history to find a tongue-in-cheek comment void of all context. I was talking about his treatment of Nazis you idiot.
It’s always so weird how leftist that use terms like “red-fash” always end up just defending the rights of Nazis to make their arguments. Well, not really weird. I know why. But, you should probably reflect on why that is.
Advocating for forced re-education camps for Nazis. That was the context of the comment. It wasn’t advocating for the entire historical use of gulags or their forced labor.
I’m open to your opinion of what to do with Nazis. But scrolling through my comment history to find an out of context comment to screenshot is just pathetic. I really doubt someone that does that is worth talking to.
Edit: For those on the left. Let this be an example of the complete lack of history the average online anarchist understands. Not shitting on anarchist in the street. I literally walk with them every day and they are THE BEST comrades to have your back. But, this shit. Actually trying to do some reading as they spend half their waking hours commenting and posting. Well, they just literally end up defending Nazis without realizing it and then stop responding when called out.
do you expect the fascists itching to kill you at the first opportunity to simply have a change of heart one day and lay down their guns? inevitably, violent reactionary groups will need to be dealt with. Wheezy is correct here.
Thanks, even without the context of my comment that they screenshot, you’re still smart enough to realize what it was referring to. For some reason the leftist that use terms like “tankie” and “red-fash” always end up defending the rights of Nazis when you dig even slightly below the surface. I’m sure there is no coincidence there.
What are you even saying here? What would be your solution to Nazis? Like, are you advocating for the mass slaughter of all Nazis after a leftist revolution? Or do you just give them all freedom to terrorize the nation? Seriously. I want to know what you actually think should be done with Nazis by whatever idea of a leftist nation that you have.
You’re the one that was searching through my comment history for anything you could frame as “tankie”. So, I think I deserve an answer to what you actually think about my comment.
The take I heard is that the US is bad, but also we can’t be upset about this if we would be happy seeing other world leaders arrested for crimes like genocide, etc. This person showed me a number of celebratory Reddit posts to reinforce that it’s a good thing.
I’m not making any claim of him being a dictator or a good legitimate leader or anything else here. In fact, I think Maduro’s moral character and his legitimacy bear no relevance to the question whether or not it’s okay to just bomb Venezuela and kidnap their head of state - which we are in agreement on.
I just find it absurd that some people have this “Well, this time America did a bad thing to a bad person, so I will not condemn the bad thing” attitude.
I can’t even comprehend how liberals in my country are coming up with the “Maduro was a
d i c t a t o r, America is liberating the Venezuelan people” shtick on their own, when Trump has already given the game away.Maduro sucked. Maybe he was a dictator. I don’t fucking know.
What the fuck is trump?
It’s the narrative that will keep people going to work. History is allowed to repeat itself because people like you and I have failed in getting others to care or pay attention. It’s obvious to us. But at the end of the day; the left has failed in the west. It doesn’t matter if we’re correctly able to see the world for ourselves.
We are losing the battle. But the war will wage beyond our lifetimes. We can only keep fighting. Don’t focus your anger at individual liberals. It is our job to educate them. This is that opportunity.
You don’t need to turn everyone into a Marxist. You just need to them to have enough hatred for their ruling class to support us when the opportunity arises for change. Whether that’s in our lifetime or not.
Nudging the shitlibs a degree, making them just a smidgeon less obedient. Just a fraction more likely to cause problems for their masters. It’s so important.
Ride the train at rush hour. Talk to people. Maybe do something unthinkably cool¹.
¹doesn’t need to be difficult or huge. Just nudge the edges of possibility. For the MLM thing, maybe bring a keg of something good and seasonally temperatured on the train on Friday just after people get off work, one 8 oz cup per person. Arrange for one car on each train headed away from the parts of town people work to where the working class live to have live music-nothing loud, nothing edgy, but make sure the musician is competent.
Lucky the left is much more diverse than just red-fash. There’s no point throwing one set of genocidal masters out for a second.
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When someone scrolls through your comment history to find a tongue-in-cheek comment void of all context. I was talking about his treatment of Nazis you idiot.
It’s always so weird how leftist that use terms like “red-fash” always end up just defending the rights of Nazis to make their arguments. Well, not really weird. I know why. But, you should probably reflect on why that is.
Sorry if I am misunderstanding you, but not every Marxist is a tankie.
You’re right, but the person advocating for gulags certainly is.
Ah my bad didn’t realise that was the same guy in the screenshot and the reply chain
Advocating for forced re-education camps for Nazis. That was the context of the comment. It wasn’t advocating for the entire historical use of gulags or their forced labor.
I’m open to your opinion of what to do with Nazis. But scrolling through my comment history to find an out of context comment to screenshot is just pathetic. I really doubt someone that does that is worth talking to.
Edit: For those on the left. Let this be an example of the complete lack of history the average online anarchist understands. Not shitting on anarchist in the street. I literally walk with them every day and they are THE BEST comrades to have your back. But, this shit. Actually trying to do some reading as they spend half their waking hours commenting and posting. Well, they just literally end up defending Nazis without realizing it and then stop responding when called out.
do you expect the fascists itching to kill you at the first opportunity to simply have a change of heart one day and lay down their guns? inevitably, violent reactionary groups will need to be dealt with. Wheezy is correct here.
Thanks, even without the context of my comment that they screenshot, you’re still smart enough to realize what it was referring to. For some reason the leftist that use terms like “tankie” and “red-fash” always end up defending the rights of Nazis when you dig even slightly below the surface. I’m sure there is no coincidence there.
No I don’t, that’s why I don’t have any unity with them!
What are you even saying here? What would be your solution to Nazis? Like, are you advocating for the mass slaughter of all Nazis after a leftist revolution? Or do you just give them all freedom to terrorize the nation? Seriously. I want to know what you actually think should be done with Nazis by whatever idea of a leftist nation that you have.
You’re the one that was searching through my comment history for anything you could frame as “tankie”. So, I think I deserve an answer to what you actually think about my comment.
I have yet to hear that take from any liberal.
The take I heard is that the US is bad, but also we can’t be upset about this if we would be happy seeing other world leaders arrested for crimes like genocide, etc. This person showed me a number of celebratory Reddit posts to reinforce that it’s a good thing.
I’d be happy seeing every world leader atone for their crimes. Manufactured consent and all; I personally prefer a lack of cognitive dissonance
Atone by seeing their flesh slog off, under a hot fire, for 109 years minimum.
I would be careful about taking what that bot site has to say.
It’s pure
To be honest, there is some pretty credible evidence that Maduro in fact was a dictator. There’s a whole section on it in his Wikipedia article.
HOWEVER, that does in no way justify this oil war the US is starting, nor will this kidnapping in any way improve things for the people of Venezuela.
You are an abusive husband! Therefore I will kidnap your husband and work him to death in the mines.
I’m not making any claim of him being a dictator or a good legitimate leader or anything else here. In fact, I think Maduro’s moral character and his legitimacy bear no relevance to the question whether or not it’s okay to just bomb Venezuela and kidnap their head of state - which we are in agreement on.
I just find it absurd that some people have this “Well, this time America did a bad thing to a bad person, so I will not condemn the bad thing” attitude.
I’m actually okay targeting heads of state that aren’t popular among the populace. That part doesn’t bother me.
It’s like waterboarding a union organizer with really good whiskey.