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    15 hours ago

    China? The country of Tiananmen Square? The country whose people practically develop an ever-changing coded language to avoid big brother coming down hard on any sort of criticism? The country that runs “reeducation” camps for many who do get caught? The country that has Uyghurs and Tibetans to blame “within,” and Japan without? Or the US? Where senior cadres of the party magically grow richer?

    Don’t pin authoritarianism on lack of administrative competence.

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      The country of Tiananmen Square?

      True but irrelevant.

      The country whose people practically develop an ever-changing coded language to avoid big brother coming down hard on any sort of criticism?

      Yes. I never said that China tolerates criticism, but that doesn’t mean Chinese people live in fear of their government. An incompetent government will have criticism coming from every which way, necessitating draconian measures and exaggerated crackdowns, which does lead to fear (ask me how I know). This isn’t the case for China because, despite their faults and the evil shit they get up to, Chinese people are generally satisfied with their governance. Fear isn’t an automatic result of authoritarianism; it appears when there’s too little carrot and too much stick.

      The country that runs “reeducation” camps for many who do get caught?

      True but irrelevant.

      The country that has Uyghurs and Tibetans to blame “within,” and Japan without? Or the US?

      Source? Not for their oppression of Uighurs and Tibetans, or rivalry with the US and Japan, I know about these, but that they’re using any of these as scapegoats for their own troubles. Oppression can be motivated by things other than scapegoating, and it’s not like China is lacking in real reasons to oppose the US and Japan. Without something that corroborates your claim this is just a non-sequitur.

      Where senior cadres of the party magically grow richer?

      This is just a non sequitur. Senior CCP officials are rich, but the other half of your claim “everyone else pretty much won’t” goes against everything we know about Chinese economic growth.

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        13 hours ago

        Source: I’ve lived there for a decade, talked with people, including PSB officers.

        Every time China is in trouble, mostly economically, they play up the Japan stuff. There are island disputes, there is historical baggage. They play it like a piano and those are pretty much the only times organized street protests are permitted.

        I disagree with you about what you think is irrelevant.