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The very nature of Federation means that all data needs to be openly shared between platforms, so even if there’s some info you don’t see on your client of choice, assume that every single interaction you have with the platform is public.
And that’s why hornyposting on main is an even worse idea than normal
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While that is very much true, but I find it debatable if you (as in the dev) want the user facing UI to show it.
But even if platforms agree to not make the data visible, anyone can spin up their own instance and browse through the backend data that is being sent. It’s the ActivityPub protocol itself, not the individual platforms that use it.
The main difference is ease, and if you have to spin up your own instance vs just press a button I’d guess most people wouldn’t do it
Most people wouldn’t, but all the ones you need to worry about would.
You’ve never seen how dedicated trolls and bad actors can get, I see.
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Copying my own reply from a similar thread last month, the problem is that most users don’t know they’re public:
I think the issue is that many Lemmy users will think more carefully about what they comment than what they up/downvote, as a comment appears connected to your username but a vote doesn’t. You might decide against commenting on something you disagree with because you don’t want to get in a fight, instead just downvoting it, but if people then know if was you who downvoted can still pick the fight.
Basically the issue is you’re revealing a lot more information than you might initially have realised if you’d have known votes were public all along. Maybe a disgruntled person uses that to dox you, or maybe a corpo feeds all that information into their fancy computer system to work out who you might be, who knows.
We are in a world where big data is being collected and stored and analyzed by AI for every activity on the Internet, as well as an era of creeping global authoritarianism, and you are confused by why some people might be concerned about leaving an extremely granular, public, and permanent record of how they vote? Or rather, why they might strongly prefer that not be public?
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Making it truly private, from what I understand, would require a monumental change to how the fediverse works, and I just don’t think it would add enough value to be worth it.
Piefed does https://piefed.social/post/205362
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And you also have to consider how other platforms treat upvotes and downvotes.
On many platforms, your upvotes and downvotes are not only visible, but sometimes result in a notification alert (i.e. someone commented on your post, someone liked your post, someone downvoted your post, etc.). It is not anonymous at all.
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A hypothetical way to dox someone would be using the extra data available. Maybe they don’t comment much about their particular interests, but they upvote stuff in location-specific communities, downvote people expressing a particular ideology, and anything else that would allow a (ridiculously dedicated) bad actor to work our a lot of personal info about them. Unlikely, but theoretically possible.
Also apparently Lemmy votes are marked as private but any software can choose to just ignore that request, which seems pretty open to abuse.
who cares, yall are so paranoid about everything, have the self awareness to know that you aren’t important, let the corpos dox me and have all my upvote/downvotr information ill survive
Yeah, back when I first got started on kbin I thought the ability to see who upvoted and downvoted would be a boon to civil discussion on the Fediverse - it meant you couldn’t sling mud anonymously. One of the most annoying things on Reddit is debating with someone that’s insta-downvoting everything you say. I was saddened when all the major Fediverse clients all got rid of that.
While this arguably doesn’t prevent anything on its own, it might expose what you just said - bot farms and sock puppets.
on Reddit, you used to be able to opt into having your upvotes down on your user page
Precision:
- downvotes are only visible on Tesseract to mods of the community
- upvotes have been visible on Mbin forever
I can see upvotes and downvotes.
I can see the list of users that upvoted every post/message.
I used to be able to see a list of users that downvoted. (data is there, just hidden)
So everything you ever upvote/downvote is tracked and everyone can see it at some point.
Your comment history is public, as is your upvote history.
How do you see downvotes? I was only able to see upvotes via this
The “Reduces” button cannot be clicked
It’s greyed out only on some instances.
The data still exists if you wrote your own front end, you can look at it.
I used yours in that case, fedia.io
Rewriting front-end should indeed give access to that data, as we know it’s already there
I personally think public downvotes should be a thing, people would think twice about downvoting unnecessarily.
I believe people should be able to downvote whatever they want. People should be allowed to go against the hivemind. PieFed implements pseudonymous downvoting. For anyone worried about spam, they have powerful tools to allow admins to filter out people who do not contribute to the community, e. g. just go around downvoting everything.
I have no problems with people downvoting stuff. But if you’re willing to downvote something, you should be willing to stand by it instead of being anonymous.
Sometimes though there can be cases of harassment based on downvotes. I won’t mention no names, but recently I saw someone on Lemmy reveal (with evidence) how they were sent death threats and were harassed for something FAR more petty. If people like that can exist, then I don’t even want to imagine what can happen when your disapproval of a person’s opinions is public.
Here’s the thing. Downvotes ARE public, just with a slightly higher barrier to access. Bad actors like that? Slightly higher barriers aren’t an issue, they will walk barefoot over broken glass to mess with you. The issue under consideration here is whether to remove that barrier so normal users (not crazy ones) can access the same info that others can.
There is no such thing as an unnecessary down vote
Allow me to demonstrate
Exactly, thank you for your cooperation.
I’m just upvoting MLP memes, don’t mind me
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