• umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    the nordic countries do well at the cost of the third world. they are rich because of imperialism.

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      and you believe a revolution in the US will help the third world?

      socialist countries are plenty capable of being exploitative too. a revolution doesn’t change the people - it changes the power structures

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        5 hours ago

        a socialist state would not spend public money so corporations can profit from waging endless war instead of just having solid healthcare.

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          all of the above listed counties have very solid healthcare and are not entirely socialist. what’s your point?

          socialism is not a requirement for being a place that treats people with respect and dignity; nor is it a silver bullet

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            it is a requirement if you want to do that without oppessing brown people elsewhere.

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              the important thing is not socialism: it’s a government that deals with negative externalities

              socialism tends to do better at that simply because often it often does better at long-term planning (but that’s not a given either), but capitalism without corporate bullshit, stock markets, etc (ie actual ownership over a business rather than just ownership over a vague thing where you’re only concerned with line goes up not long term business health) has pretty much the same drivers: long term sustainability and this holding others to account for their negative externalities