edit: muting this thread, goodbye.

  • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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    4 days ago

    tankies and the leftists without the ability to have critical thought AND/OR nuanced conversation.

    I’m sure some of them are nice people, but they aren’t sending their best.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      I find far more nuance on Hexbear regarding Leftist topics, at least in my experience. The average Hexbear user is more likely to have read theory, be it Anarchist or Marxist, than most other instances, so that baseline really helps elevate what kinds of conversations are had.

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          You really don’t notice what you’re doing, do you 🤣

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            No, I mean tankie.

            This is you: https://lemmy.ml/comment/17634182 (https://lemmy.world/post/27462282/16133562)

            China is a democracy. It is not a liberal democracy, where multiple parties compete, but a Socialist democracy. You can watch a quick video from Chinese state media on how it functions, or how elections work. Over 90% of Chinese citizens approve of their government, and the majority believes they have a democratic impact on policy, at a higher rate than the US.

            Easy to hit 90% when people are killed for not approving of the government. You support the tanks in this image.

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              Gotcha, you mean Marxist.

              I stand by what I said in that comment. You should read the Harvard study I linked in that comment:

              We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment.

              There’s simply no evidence of the CPC using intimidation to secure their overwhelmingly high approval rates. Both Occam’s Razor and real polling data seem to suggest that the support for the government is most closely linked to how much the government does for people, which can help explain why rural areas tend to support the CPC more, as they were the primary targets of the extreme poverty eradication program.

              I really don’t think you’ve made an effort to try to understand China, and I don’t even mean the government. Why should you be able to decide what’s best for Chinese people, when they clearly support their system and believe it works for their interests? This is the kind of Western Exceptionalist chauvanism that plagues the English-speaking internet.

              Further, Tian’anmen and the June 4th incident were never a part of that discussion, so you are clearly trying to add an emotional element to the argument.