Today, I switched the last of my Windows machines to Linux: my gaming PC. I’ve been using Linux on servers for many years but was a bit apprehensive for gaming.
Turns out it just… works. Just installed steam and turned proton on, have zero performance or other issues. I’m using Ubuntu 25.04 for the 6.14 kernels NT emulation performance tweaks. Aside from there not being a catalyst driver for it and so I can’t undervolt my card everything is great.
Holy hell, the Ubuntu ISO is 6.3GB now. Soon it may not even fit onto a DL DVD.
Who still uses DVD to install anything?
Yesterday I installed cachyos and I was shocked to see that the 3gb install image was actually a net install and I couldn’t install it offline. I used my phone as hotspot thinking “how much data would download it anyway, maybe it just needs internet to do geo2ip for suggesting locale” (it actually does that) but instead it downloaded another 3gb
We’ve moved on to usb sticks
You’ve moved on to usb sticks
Me too, so we
That don’t mean people don’t still burn discs just because you and whoever else doesn’t.
Yeah and we’re still we.
And my axe!
Who on earth still burns disks (other than pizzas) in 2025?
Me, they retain data alot longer than any solid state data storage device. They are much more usable for archival storage. Also I burn CD’s to listen to music on my Stereo.
According to Google, burned CDs and DVDs retain data for 5-10 years.
SSDs are between a few years and a few decades, depending on the age, type and quality of the SSD. Same goes for USB sticks.
HDDs are between 10 and 20 years.
Tape drives are at 30+ years.
I have CD-R demo discs from the early 00’s that still play fine. Also according to Wikipedia: “On July 3, 1991, the first recording of a concert directly to CD was made using a Yamaha YPDR 601. The concert was performed by Claudio Baglioni at the Stadio Flaminio in Rome, Italy. At that time, it was generally anticipated that recordable CDs would have a lifetime of no more than 10 years. However, as of July 2020 the CD from this live recording still plays back with no uncorrectable errors.”
Edit: Yes, a tape drive would be ideal but i’m poor af.
It’s always a game of statistics.
You might have some 20yo disks that play fine, but there’s enough 10yo disks that don’t play fine. Also, especially with audio disks, having some data loss on them won’t be noticeable. You could probably have up to 10% of data loss on the CD without hearing much of a difference.
Things are very different for data storage though. Here losing a single bit (e.g. of an encrypted/compressed file) might make the whole file unreadable. And if it’s a critical file that might make the whole disk useless.
Audio CD is a very low-data-density format. There’s a ton of data on there that doesn’t matter (as exemplified by the fact that MP3 CDs can easily hold 6 times as much audio as a regular, uncompressed Audio CD). This low data density creates redundancy.
The data retention values above aren’t about “After X years all of the data disappears” but about “This is how long the data will be fully retained without a single bit of data loss”.
I also have HDDs from ~2000 that still work fine. The probably oldest piece of tech I own is a Gameboy, which has its BIOS in a ROM, and that one still works fine, even though it’s older than 30 years now. But for one I don’t own enough Gameboys to know whether I got an outlier here and I don’t have the means to check if every single bit on that ROM is still identical to the original.
Sorry if I’m mostly focusing on paragraph 3 but I have to. MP3 CDs sound way worse than a redbook audio CD though. You can losslessly compress PCM by about 50% by using a codec like flac or alac, but there is data loss if you use a lossy format like .mp3. You can compress 20 vacation photos taken by an iPhone 16 to fit on a 1.44 mb floppy disk and you will have something resembling the original data, but I think you’ll agree it’s worse. Back to my original point, A CD-R is much more likely to reatain data for 5 years than an SSD is. Unless it’s periodiclly powered on of couse. I have an HDD from 2008 in my PC actually. I’m often impressed how long they can last.
I like them. It spins, it makes a sound when being used, it looks cool, I have to be a bit more gentle with it.
How many floppies is that?
4,375,000,000 of the 3 1/2" disks. Sierra would be proud.
One, at least.
Zip disk users rise up.
Good thing there’s BD-Rs