- I’ll buy used, so don’t want latest and greatest. It won’t be my main laptop.
- to run linux obviously.
- good battery life, light, not too small to use, but large enough to type on (obviously can do without numeric keypad). not too fragile!
- I’ll be doing some light python work, perhaps some c/c++ but I’m not after a workhorse, just something for quickly fixing bugs, or making notes on
- sub 200 GBP / 250USD I guess
I’d be interested in hearing recommendations, and also what to avoid!
intel macbook air works good for me, with debian and xfce
maybe search for system76 too. I found one on my local craigslist.
Used Thinkpad X or T series
What’s the main difference between the two?
X series are lighter and smaller than T series, on the other hand they are less upgradable.
Not sure if it’s available where you’re located, but did find this listing. https://a.co/d/bztqux3
There’s also multiple T14’s with the 8 core AMD variant at the moment on ebay. I recently purchased a similar version myself.
- https://www.ebay.com/itm/187345973525 - Grade C - $165
- https://www.ebay.com/itm/236180535889 - $180
- https://www.ebay.com/itm/236134873233 - $205
- https://www.ebay.com/itm/187365382026 - $253
- https://www.ebay.com/itm/157131848816 - $260
I have both a 2014 MacBook Pro and the listed device. The T14 has a trash tier trackpad and display when compared to a MacBook, but if I was buying it to do any type of programming, I’d choose the T14 everytime if I’m comparing it to a MacBook with 8 GB of ram and a dual core processor. (when compared to a T14 that has the 8 core AMD 4750U)
A light Chromebook?
Refurbished Thinkpad. The answer is always refurbished Thinkpad.
Yep. I’m using a used ThinkPad X1 Carbon. 8 years old and running Linux like a dream
what are they like for duability - e.g. knocks from being put in and pulled out of a rucksack
Magnesium frame and such. I had an older and heavier one and was always joking it would come handy as a blunt weapon if there was a sudden monster attack. It once fell from my desk to the floor and didn’t even had a scratch.
Plus if you are on budget it is really best value for the money.
Check ThinkWiki and Thinkpad wiki sites for details. You do not need high specs to run Linux.
don’t know if a refurbished thinkpad is good if you’re on a budget, by the time you realise you might have a couple dozen of them on your desk all running linux
You can get ten x130e’s for $250 too. Why buy 1 when you can get 10?
Some of the best you can get in terms of durability. You might pay for it a little in weight and thickness though compared to some ultra thin models.
Lenovo also sells older models for dirt cheap on their website sometimes.
small tuxedo computer
Try Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 5.
People are going to say Thinkpad but I am going to say 2013 to 2017 MacBook Air. Inexpensive. Light. Good looking. A joy to use. Faster than you think. And well supported under Linux (I use EndeavourOS on them myself).
This was my immediate thought. An M1 Mac laptop is still a very useable laptop, and the battery life on them is fantastic.
A problem with macbooks is that most have soldered ram, and even hard disks, which negates the possibility to upgrade to modern capacities. Many older non apple laptops can be upgraded to a larger SSD and ram, and be given a new lease on life.
M1 mac is still problematic with Linux, with only Asahi offering limited support, and you cannot find one at OP’s price point.
I would argue that if brew is installed on a Mac, chances are, OP won’t even notice it’s Mac OS, unless he looks into the detail or having some specific Linux use case. OP only mentioned writing some C programs.
I second this if he can find a 2013~2017 for free/cheaper, I use an old Macbook Air with EndeavourOS mostly for writing, but my use case is not that far from OP’s, it also runs some old games.
It is light and portable, and it is just as easy to find a refurbished option as the Thinkpad (at least in NA).
My only problems are with the drivers(the Wi-FI and the FacetimeHD camera) and the charging cable.
I tried a bunch of distros, but only with EndeavourOS I got them to work easily.
That said, if OP prefers better Linux support, and better cost x performance. He will be better suited with a Thinkpad T or X (T480/T490 or X280) refurbished will be in the price range.
X280 is barely above 1Kg, with a smaller screen.
T480 is chunkier, bigger screen and Ethernet port.
Instead of just throwing random preferences out there, I’ll help clarify the field of comments:
- Thinkpads USED to be a safe choice, but Lenovo has been tainting that model line for a few years. Search and find specific models, and don’t just buy because it has the Thinkpad brand.
- Framework is 100% ready to go. They have a Refurb store where everything is cheap, but if you find one cheaper, get it.
- Dell had a ton of Linux ready laptops under the XPS brand not long ago. Search and find out which to make sure, but they shipped with Linux installed.
- I hate to say it, but HP Probooks were solid and shipped with Linux also. Terrible company, but they make decent enterprise products. They’ll sell for cheap on eBay.
I have had more problems with two different Frameworks than most Thinkpads. Battery died, boot/power problems on both the 13 and 16, touchpad problem on the 13.
I prefer the concept of the Frameworks but can’t say they have worked better in practice.
https://www.dellrefurbished.com/
Check support but can score some great deals on business-class laptops here. They’re machines that are coming off lease from Dell Financial Services.
There are <250USD used frameworks?
No, I don’t think I ever seem one for under 700 USD, despite some “news” saying you could find at 500 USD.
Every time people ask for cheap computers, there is always people sharing their preferences without any regard for OP’s listed needs.
Thinkpad T, P, W, & X (Carbon) are generally pretty solid, though T & X probably better fit OP’s preference for portability. The T series is/was also user upgradable (memory and SSD), usually pretty easily. I think some of the carbon models were also upgradable, but can’t remember. Cruicial’s website is very helpful with this. If the laptop has “Idea” or “Yoga” in the name, it’s more than likely trash. There were some “higher end” Yoga models, but AFAIR none were upgradable.
old T (until t440p) you could upgrade the cpu as well, and they are dirt cheap on aliexpress
Lookup the T38
Framework is a US company and nobody wants to pay a premium to advance fascism thank you very much.
Thinkpads are a safe choice. I have the same use case as OP and i use one. Battery last 7-8h of light use, plenty for a plugless day’s work.
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Great advice. Framework is the best choice if you can afford it. Seconded your opinions on Lenovo. They’re absolute trash now.
Thinkpad x1 carbon gen 6, or if you’re willing to up your budget a bit, a x13 is also a great fit.
If you’re going to hang out in coffeeshops just get whatever has a clearly visible Apple logo and spend the rest of your money on a beanie, airpods and fake glasses.
I have recently bought 2 dirt cheap thinkpads, one for me and one for the wife.
T490s - i5 intel
T14s - Ryzen 5 AMDBoth are tick all your requirements except for the numbpad, the T14s is definitely worth the extra money, though. It can even handle some medium gaming.
Both have upgradeable nvme ssds. However the ram is soldered on the “s” versions of these laptops so find one with 16gb or more.Dell latitude 14 inch 5430 or similar, cheap ish. Its got all the wants and needs. Plenty of ports. Its dell so it’ll survive forever.
The generic answer for this is to get a refurbished thinkpad. Pretty much any T-series fit your needs and there’s plenty of pre-leased corporate machines around which are refurbished and often have even a some kind of warranty.
This…is not the best answer. You need to be REALLY SPECIFIC about model numbers now that Lenovo has pollutes that brand space.
While you’re generally right, the T-series is a solid business laptop. Only thing I would add is steer clear of anything with “Yoga” in the name. They can be sleek, but very few of those ever impressed me.
No. Only if you guess the right one. That’s the problem that OP is asking about.
polluted, how?
I think what just_another_person means that Lenovo, specially at the beginning when they got the Think-brand from IBM years ago, tried to ride the brand and released sub-par laptops under ThinkPad -brand. At least some of the L-series were closer to what you could get from your local supermarket than actual work machines.
The brand-riding is now greatly less and the crappy ones generally aren’t the models you can find refurbished from 3rd party retailer. I’m currently using T495 and it was ~300€ from a sale couple years ago, now you apparently can get L13 for less than that. And of course, when you buy used units do your homework and only make deal with a reputable seller, there’s always an option that previous owner didn’t treat the thing nicely.
