So there’s a planet famous for producing silk where peaceful protesters are massacred in a public square and you only think of Gaza? There is definitely no place on Earth like that other than Gaza!
I’m pretty sure the Israel Gaza war kicked off with terrorists masscring people in villages and taking hostages, but it wasn’t the IDF doing that shit. Did Andor portray that at all?
I tried to find clips to see what it’s referencing some more but holy shit that show is 90% pretentious speeches. But even then it’s pretty obvious.
You are correct there are some people that need things spelled out for them or they don’t understand it. Some even resort to Qanon style numerology to try to prove weird connections between things.
Anyway, which silk producing country massacred peaceful protesters in a public square? Come on… .you can figure it out! Somewhere where vehicles were used to crush protesters? Maybe someone made a memorial and an authoritarian regime took it down… Hint
So, I just finished writing a rather lengthy comment about why you’re so obviously wrong to say it’s not about Gaza.
But I did also add that there are other equally valid possible interpretations because it’s about applicability and metaphor, not direct allegory. Even so, I find your attempts here to compare it to China to be rather tenuous. The fact that the country produces “silk” and did a massacre is pretty much the only parallel. To me, the silk thing is more about adding to the obvious aesthetics of WWII French Resistance, with the silk thing tying in to France’s famous connection to high fashion. I’d say the fact that Tiananmen Square was crushing an internal resistance, while on Ghorman, as well as in both WWII France and in Gaza it’s outsiders seeking to invade and kill the locals, makes the Chinese connection especially weak.
See, again, people like this are exactly why we need the protagonist to look directly at the camera and explain things to them. Because the average Westerner’s worldview is so propagandized that when they see a work critiquing their own government, they assume that it must be about foreigners, because obviously we’re number one and everyone else is worse than us. If you make a US allegory look bad, they assume it couldn’t possibly be about the US. Combination of media illiteracy and a delusional, chauvinistic worldview.
I’m pretty sure the Israel Gaza war kicked off with terrorists masscring people in villages and taking hostages, but it wasn’t the IDF doing that shit. Did Andor portray that at all?
Well, the show kicks off with Andor shooting two corporate security guards, after they tried to rob him. Does that count? I mean, it’s not like Palestinian resistance to Israeli colonization and apartheid is unprovoked.
Anyway, which silk producing country massacred peaceful protesters in a public square?
The silk producing planet did not massacre peaceful protesters in a public square. The Empire, an occupying force in Ghorman, massacred Ghormans. I guess if Ghormans had massacred Imperials, your China comparison might make a certain amount of sense. But that’s the complete opposite of what happened in the show, where the “silk producing planet” was the victim of genocide, not the perpetrator.
Incidentally, Gaza is also famous for textiles, or at least, it was, before the dark times. Before the Empire.
Next you’re going to tell me that the original trilogy wasn’t about the Vietnam War
Which country do you think the people masscred in Tiananmen square were from? Were the people massacred there people known for making silk?
Why would they be referencing silk at all? Yeah they referenced silk thinking “I’m sure people will get get the connection from silk to textiles to Palestinians.”
The Ghorman massacre was referenced in Star Wars Rebels in 2017 and was referenced in the EU in the 1990s FFS. Do you really think the people making Star Wars are clairvoyant? Tianamen Square would’ve been fresh in the minds of people in the 90s I think it’s more likely referencing that event than events that hadn’t happened yet.
See, again, people like this are exactly why we need the protagonist to look directly at the camera and explain things to them.
Ghorman has been a part of Star Wars lore for ages, yes. There is nothing about the word “Ghorman” that connects it to Gaza. The things that connect it to Gaza are mainly twofold, first, the specific phrase “Ghorman Plaza,” (which did not exist in the lore prior to Andor, to my knowledge) and second, the intentional use of the word “genocide” in connection to it, especially in Mon Mothma’s speech. Just “Ghorman” vs “The genocide in Ghorman Plaza” is a huge difference.What the writers did was to take an existing, largely undefined part of Star Wars lore, and flesh it out in a way that ties in to current events.
I have no clue why you think I’m saying the word “Ghorman” has anything to do with Gaza, on it’s own or as it existed in the lore.
Which country do you think the people masscred in Tiananmen square were from? Were the people massacred there people known for making silk?
This is incredibly dumb, and I’m just highlighting this part of your comment as an example to others of how far a brain is capable of stretching something to make it be about what the person wants it to be about. Obviously, there’s no reasoning with that, but the whole plot regarding Ghorman revolves around a foreign, occupying force planning to exterminate or drive out a population in order to seize resources. There is zero connection to China, apart from silk.
Yeah they referenced silk thinking “I’m sure people will get get the connection from silk to textiles to Palestinians.”
People in the Star Wars universe probably don’t really remember Ghorman as “the place that makes silk” in the same way people from our universe don’t think of Palestine as “the place that makes textiles.” But it’s important to be included to illustrate that Ghorman had an economy and culture before it became known as the site of a massacre, regardless of the Empire’s attempts to erase it, in the same way that it’s important to remember Palestinian culture despite Zionist attempts to reduce them to animals. I doubt the audience was expected to specifically to make the connection, but even if you’re unaware of Gaza’s history with textiles (and even if it wasn’t intentional), it still conveys the message in broad strokes.
Obviously, this wouldn’t convey anything meaningful if it were about China. But then, that’s the level on which reactionaries understand art.
So there’s a planet famous for producing silk where peaceful protesters are massacred in a public square and you only think of Gaza? There is definitely no place on Earth like that other than Gaza!
I’m pretty sure the Israel Gaza war kicked off with terrorists masscring people in villages and taking hostages, but it wasn’t the IDF doing that shit. Did Andor portray that at all?
I tried to find clips to see what it’s referencing some more but holy shit that show is 90% pretentious speeches. But even then it’s pretty obvious.
You are correct there are some people that need things spelled out for them or they don’t understand it. Some even resort to Qanon style numerology to try to prove weird connections between things.
Anyway, which silk producing country massacred peaceful protesters in a public square? Come on… .you can figure it out! Somewhere where vehicles were used to crush protesters? Maybe someone made a memorial and an authoritarian regime took it down… Hint
So, I just finished writing a rather lengthy comment about why you’re so obviously wrong to say it’s not about Gaza.
But I did also add that there are other equally valid possible interpretations because it’s about applicability and metaphor, not direct allegory. Even so, I find your attempts here to compare it to China to be rather tenuous. The fact that the country produces “silk” and did a massacre is pretty much the only parallel. To me, the silk thing is more about adding to the obvious aesthetics of WWII French Resistance, with the silk thing tying in to France’s famous connection to high fashion. I’d say the fact that Tiananmen Square was crushing an internal resistance, while on Ghorman, as well as in both WWII France and in Gaza it’s outsiders seeking to invade and kill the locals, makes the Chinese connection especially weak.
another dumbfuck
The empire depicting the Gorman resistance as evil terrorists who attacked unprovoked was indeed depicted in Andor.
When great Britain partitioned off land and help kick out the population.
Weird how that’s also what happened in Andor…
And of course the zionist is trying to deflect it to a different situation
Sure… we’d all be better off if only the Ottoman empire continued to exist forever!
SMH
Unironically yes, what are you talking about? The region was way more peaceful before the Ottoman empire fell than it has been since.
Ottomans also kept huge populations of Jewish people safe from Christian pogroms
So Armenian and Greek genocides did not happen? Do you think life was great for non Turks/Muslims before that? There were no massacres of Christians?
You’re ignorance of history matches ignorance for star wars lore.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ghorman_Massacre/Legends
Thanks for the link!
I was aware of it being referenced in 2017 in Star Wars Rebels, but I wasn’t aware it was in Legends in the 1990s.
Whataboutism
See, again, people like this are exactly why we need the protagonist to look directly at the camera and explain things to them. Because the average Westerner’s worldview is so propagandized that when they see a work critiquing their own government, they assume that it must be about foreigners, because obviously we’re number one and everyone else is worse than us. If you make a US allegory look bad, they assume it couldn’t possibly be about the US. Combination of media illiteracy and a delusional, chauvinistic worldview.
Well, the show kicks off with Andor shooting two corporate security guards, after they tried to rob him. Does that count? I mean, it’s not like Palestinian resistance to Israeli colonization and apartheid is unprovoked.
The silk producing planet did not massacre peaceful protesters in a public square. The Empire, an occupying force in Ghorman, massacred Ghormans. I guess if Ghormans had massacred Imperials, your China comparison might make a certain amount of sense. But that’s the complete opposite of what happened in the show, where the “silk producing planet” was the victim of genocide, not the perpetrator.
Incidentally, Gaza is also famous for textiles, or at least, it was, before the dark times. Before the Empire.
Next you’re going to tell me that the original trilogy wasn’t about the Vietnam War
Which country do you think the people masscred in Tiananmen square were from? Were the people massacred there people known for making silk?
Why would they be referencing silk at all? Yeah they referenced silk thinking “I’m sure people will get get the connection from silk to textiles to Palestinians.”
The Ghorman massacre was referenced in Star Wars Rebels in 2017 and was referenced in the EU in the 1990s FFS. Do you really think the people making Star Wars are clairvoyant? Tianamen Square would’ve been fresh in the minds of people in the 90s I think it’s more likely referencing that event than events that hadn’t happened yet.
Indeed.
Ghorman has been a part of Star Wars lore for ages, yes. There is nothing about the word “Ghorman” that connects it to Gaza. The things that connect it to Gaza are mainly twofold, first, the specific phrase “Ghorman Plaza,” (which did not exist in the lore prior to Andor, to my knowledge) and second, the intentional use of the word “genocide” in connection to it, especially in Mon Mothma’s speech. Just “Ghorman” vs “The genocide in Ghorman Plaza” is a huge difference.What the writers did was to take an existing, largely undefined part of Star Wars lore, and flesh it out in a way that ties in to current events.
I have no clue why you think I’m saying the word “Ghorman” has anything to do with Gaza, on it’s own or as it existed in the lore.
This is incredibly dumb, and I’m just highlighting this part of your comment as an example to others of how far a brain is capable of stretching something to make it be about what the person wants it to be about. Obviously, there’s no reasoning with that, but the whole plot regarding Ghorman revolves around a foreign, occupying force planning to exterminate or drive out a population in order to seize resources. There is zero connection to China, apart from silk.
People in the Star Wars universe probably don’t really remember Ghorman as “the place that makes silk” in the same way people from our universe don’t think of Palestine as “the place that makes textiles.” But it’s important to be included to illustrate that Ghorman had an economy and culture before it became known as the site of a massacre, regardless of the Empire’s attempts to erase it, in the same way that it’s important to remember Palestinian culture despite Zionist attempts to reduce them to animals. I doubt the audience was expected to specifically to make the connection, but even if you’re unaware of Gaza’s history with textiles (and even if it wasn’t intentional), it still conveys the message in broad strokes.
Obviously, this wouldn’t convey anything meaningful if it were about China. But then, that’s the level on which reactionaries understand art.