Eyes Up’s purpose is to “preserve evidence until it can be used in court.” But it has been swept up in Apple’s attack on ICE-spotting apps.

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      27 days ago

      What unjust laws? Immigration laws? People that break the law getting detained is unjust? Is that you, Jasmine Crocket?

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        They have a right to fair trial, warrants, and to face their accusors. So long as these remain not done, the enforcement is unjust

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          26 days ago

          Most of them have already had a “fair trial”/warrant/etc and been ordered to leave, and just……didn’t.

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            No they didn’t. They just said that without proving it, and you believed them despite the cases there they do wrongly deport citizens

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              I’m curious why you think someone who entered the country illegally deserves a “fair trial” before being deported when they’re in the country illegally?

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                  Yes you can lol. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.

                  Can you determine if someone has a drivers license without a trial?

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                    @FreedomAdvocate What’s the process to make sure those get checked before you get punished for being there? I say “you” on purpose - if I said “freedom advocate is here illegally! Take them!” and they believed me and threw you in the back of a van, what would you expect to happen at that point? Who would you speak to? How? How would you make sure they did what needed to be done to establish *your* legality? How would you make them check your papers?

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                    @FreedomAdvocate if I were law enforcement I probably could establish whether you had a driver’s licence, but who’s making me do it? If I tried to put you in jail for driving without a licence, even though you had a licence that I didn’t check, what’s your recourse?

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                Our law- rightly- operates on the basis or natural rights. Endowed by their creator, and inalienable. Do you know what that means? It means rights aren’t something given to you by the constitution, you are born with them just for being a person, and they cannot be taken away. If we have a right to fair trial, so does everyone who ever lived, whether they got them is just a matter of how oppressive their governments were. Illegal immigrants are people and thus have natural rights.

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                  You don’t have a right to a “fair trial” for not being able to prove you’re a citizen or have a valid visa to be in the country though lol. This doesn’t need a trial because there’s nothing to argue, nothing in question. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.

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                    That doesn’t even make sense. A trial is where you’d find out whether or not you’d be able to prove it. Are you suggesting weresupposed to not assume innocence if they don’t have an idea in them at the time of detainment, because that’s a right too