[green talks in a mic while orange sits at the other end of the table, cross armed, angry] On today’s podcast episode, I’d like to better understand the far right so I invited a literal nazi, maybe they’ll make some good points
[blue, satisfied] Freedom of speech
[green talks in a mic while yellow sits at the other end of the table, happy to be there] On today’s podcast episode, I invited an artist who also happens to be a pro-palestine activist, let’s listen to what they have to say
[blue, pissed] TOO FAR! We are pulling our sponsorship
Death to the IDF.
You don’t get to commit a genocide and then whine when people call for death against the force that perpetrated that genocide.
Louis was saying he didn’t want to wish death on anyone.
I think it is possible to say “Death to the [state sponsored institution controlled by the Israeli government called the] IDF”
The army can die without any soldiers being harmed.
Just like every single Wehrmacht soldier deserved the bullet, every Zionist settler happily working for a death squad does as well
Louis argued the opposite and still got cancelled.
Not in practice.
The entire Iraqi army was disbanded after the 2nd gulf War.
Gee, I bet the United States definitely did that without incurring a huge amount of loss of life for the Iraqi army.
No-one was killed by the Coalition Provisional Authority Order 2.
Many iraqi military organizations died that day, but no-one was executed.
I am sure the US military did not execute anyone in the foreign military the US dismantled.
Oh, the US killed thousands of military and even more civilians.
But the order to
disbandkill the army didn’t make anyone die.The Iraqi army ceased to exist without blood being shed. Similarly the IDF can be disbanded without any deaths.
Lol ok. The Iraqi army was completely removed without any bloodshed, not counting any of the actions or events that happened before that moment. It happened in a vacuum where nobody was resistant to the idea of US disarming the Iraq.
Yes. But they are more than just a pro Palestine activist. This is about misinformation and not potentially perceived validity of their actions.
I personally would say that inciting a mass to chant “death to *” is over the line no matter the subject. It is dehumanizing, overly generalizing and inducing vitriol. But that’s not my point.
Accepting misinformation just because it fits your narrative is a no no.
“Death to fascism”
erm… aren’t you overgeneralising and dehumanising by saying that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_fascism,_freedom_to_the_people
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Death to Nazis, death to the IDF. Death to any people who would impede upon another person’s inalienable human rights to freedom to live their lives.
Fucking preach
amen
Calling Israel and IDF nazi is a dog whistle to dehumanize them. They are not support Hitler’s ideology.
Cmon these comparisons are almost as old as Israel itself.
Back in 1948 you already had prominent jewish people comparing zionists to nazis (Einstein was one of them).
My family of holocaust survivors never had kind words for Israel, and were always pissed that they were pretending to be the country legacy of holocaust survivors while building up an ethnostate of their own on stolen land, complete with camps and all.
You can’t dehumanize people who have already done the work of dehumanizing themselves, unless you think I’m dehumanizing MAGA too when I compare them to 1930s fascists.
It’s only a dogwhistle when it comes from problematic people.
An ethnocracy(etnostate) is a type of political structure featuring “rule by a particular ethnos in a multi-ethnic situation”. Israel is not ruled by single ethnos. Itamar Ben-Gvir -leader of party Otzma Yehudit with 6/120 Knesset members is Mizrahi Jews(arab jew). United Arab List have 5/120 Knesset members.
I once saw someone got accused for using dog whistle when they used the same comparison, but to Islamists and description of Amin al-Husseini relationship with Hittler.
Are you daft or what.
An ethnostate doesn’t mean 100% of its inhabitants or ruling class are of the same ethnicity, it’s a state where some people have privileges over the others purely based on their ethnicity. Sure the arab list is allowed to exist as long as they’re not a threat, South Africa had black politicians during the apartheid too.
“But Ben Gvir is mizrahi” is one of the dumbest zionist arguments I’ve ever read. There were dutch, british, afrikaaner, and other types of whites in South Africa, I don’t see how this disproves the existence of a South African white ethnostate during the apartheid.
Israel constitutionally defines itself as the nation-state of the jewish people, gives automatic citizenship to jews exclusively via the law of return, and enforces different legal systems in occupied territories depending on ethnicity. That’s the textbook definition of an ethnostate.
Can you piss off from my replies and go be a lapdog to the genocide gang somewhere else. I’m really not interested in the void that populates your brain, you’re not worth a single extra second of my time.
This is a disingenuous conflation of Israelis as people, individual IDF soldiers as people, and the IDF as an organization. In much the same way that the government of Israel conflates itself with Judaism as a whole.
You sound plenty smart enough to understand that “Death to the IDF” refers to the IDF as an organization and not it’s conscripts, in the same way that “Death to America” refers to the American government and it’s organizational machinery rather than American people.
Your virtue signaling does not pass my sniff test.
How? I didn’t call them an antisemite.
Why do I have a feeling that if your argument regarding “Death to the IDF” didn’t pass or fail on your inability to parse my analogy, you’d be feigning no confusion?
This is intellectual dishonesty. Come on now, you can be better than that.
I don’t see how getting their large crowd to chant death to America is different from death to the IDF.
I am just saying that the discrimited against person is not just an anti Palestine activist. I don’t know what you mean.
You do understand how individuals and organizations are different. You’re intelligent.
After reading more of their comments I’m not so sure.
500,000. Thats is a quarter or more of the population in gaza that was exterminated.
The IOF doesn’t need humanization but forced into reparations and the mercy of those they have slaughtered.
Its also not misinformation to dehumanize people. Your using the word wrong. Its propagandic which I think is closer. But its certainly not a wrong sentiment to have.
Nonviolence one works when the enemy has a conscious and I don’t see any ounce of consciousness from anyone who is responsible for the Genocide. 🤦
I referred to the meme calling the musician an pro-palestine activist. There are many pro Palestine activists that would not be discriminated against in this fashion.
The reason the podcast got dumped by their sponsor appears to be the musician repeatedly chanting death to the IDF on their performances. This is more than just being pro Palestine. This does not mean that the dumping as a sponsor wasn’t wrong, but their motivation is more than just “their an pro Palestine activist”.
In no way shape or form I stated that the misinformation was them dehumanizing the IDF.
If you are against Genocide, you have to remove the genociders you absolute 🤡