Completely anecdotal but I’m the only person I know who has a stock Debian install that isn’t a server, and it’s on a laptop that hasn’t been connected to the internet for the better part of a decade. I know people who use debian-based distros or use it occasionally for one thing or another (dev, testing, temporary,…) but at least in my experience, the numbers are approaching gentoo in terms of actual dailydriver desktop usage. I’m sure my experience is probably abnormal, but still…
I am not one of those weird anti-systemD guys(ok, maybe a little bit) but run0 just feels weird to me. What is the usecase? why would I choose this over doas? what are we doing here?
why try to recreate the bloat of sudo when doas exists?
~150 loc in C is enough for the things sudo is used on a single-user machine. doas is for multiuser.
okay, but the version of sudo everyone uses is over 130 000 lines of C.
Probably because things expect sudo to exist
alpine doesn’t have sudo. hell, neither does debian, by default
Yes and how many people daily-drive those?
debian is one of the most common distros
Completely anecdotal but I’m the only person I know who has a stock Debian install that isn’t a server, and it’s on a laptop that hasn’t been connected to the internet for the better part of a decade. I know people who use debian-based distros or use it occasionally for one thing or another (dev, testing, temporary,…) but at least in my experience, the numbers are approaching gentoo in terms of actual dailydriver desktop usage. I’m sure my experience is probably abnormal, but still…
distrowatch puts debian at number 4 or 5 consistently in its popularity graphs. which is also a rather flimsy number, but it’s something.
Better than expected. Touché
doas mv /usr/bin/doas /usr/bin/sudo
Problem solved!
run0
I am not one of those weird anti-systemD guys(ok, maybe a little bit) but run0 just feels weird to me. What is the usecase? why would I choose this over doas? what are we doing here?
The selling point is that it is simpler to get pid 0 to start your process as root than for sudo/doas to clean up your environment.