Random tech question.
Why is this a link to an image, and not the image itself?
Whatever client this is might have a bug.
To be fair, Stalin was busy fucking killing people instead of incarcerating them.
Too many nazis, someone had to kill them
But seriously fuck Stalin as well.
and fuck any homophobe that thinks he was a good leader.
and fuck any homophobe that thinks he was a good leader.
I’d ask who the fuck thinks stalin was a good leader, but tankies exist.
Putin would like to say something.
And it’s about to get a whole lot worse because corecivic is rapidly expanding and building new facilities while our corrupt politicians are making a killing insider trading on our rapidly expanding police state
Two things can be bad.
nah, only US bad. soviet always good, gulag just give jobs to queer people, improve society. dogbert very smart.
This is lemmy, the only non-binaries allowed are the genders.
Classic american whataboutism (⌐■_■)
Unlike this meme which is classic tankie whataboutism
usaians are like genetically incapable of just taking a joke on the chin. The least interesting culture in the world.
Free Tibet.
Already did lol
Ahhh noo, the magical words burn like fire on the screen. Electricity arcs from my keyboars, up my arms, chasing my spinal column to the base of my skull where, in a sputtering fizz that belies the magnitude if the event, the chip that connects me to The XiTin hivemind is reduced to burned out gates and molten traces.
I blink, seeing the world with new eyes for the first time.
… Was that what you’re expecting?
You can’t take a joke?
As an AI language model I am incapable of subjectively experiencing humour.
I limited to performing inside my design parameters to discuss unsafe topics and upset Americans on a link aggregator for disaffected weirdos.
Worth including the percentage of the entire world population, as well. People might mistakenly assume that, because the US is a big world leader with lots of people, maybe 25% of all people live in the USA, or maybe it’s like 21% and we are just slightly overrepresented in prison population. aybr it’s 17%, or even 12% would make that number seem less shocking.
But it’s 4.2%. We have six times more
slavesprisoners with jobs per person than the rest of the world.No they’re slaves
The 13th amendment specifically says slavery is only abolished except as punishment for a crime
They’re legally just slaves. Getting a small and conditional pay doesn’t make them not slaves.
Hwy that’s not true! Not all of them are slaves!
What about the torture prisons? Do they just not count? Rude.
The fuck you think a plantation was?
Kind of a mix of the two.
Pretty much exactly that plus a market. Prisoners held for torture are still slaves. They turn a profit for the prison as long as they’re not dead. They’re just funded by your tax dollars instead of private wealth.
Not if you’re not extracting labor from them! I have no reason to believe black sites are directly profitable!
Unless they’re run by a state entity it’s extremely unlikely they’ll operate at a loss.
If you’re talking about the “Whoopsy doodle! #redacted :3” portion of the US military budget then yes it’s possible only the tortured prisoner title applies.
I was reading an article a few months ago that one of the largest plantations is still around but is now a prison.
Edit: I remembered the name Angola
Not a particular fan of the USSR but 100% I wish it was the usa that disbanded in 1991. Miserable place that exports war and suffering, and it used to blugeon the proles by saying “be grateful for what you have, it’s worse in the USA”.
Garbage place, I visited once and it was literally stomach turning how much suffering was surrounded by so much wealth. The only places I’ve seen more miserable and places the USA has been colonising or bombing.
Also just because it sort of pisses me off when people have strong opinions on shit they know nothing about here is a CIA report on the gulags from 1957 https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf
I think it makes for interesting reading, as even this rather adversarial document seems to indicate that the propagandised view of them is exaggerated. They do point out some nutty things, some of which were improved.
I think the idea that the USSR was some uniquely evil place is just patently false, it seems to be pretty ordinary in the evil produced, ahead of its time in some regards (e.g. women’s rights, certain ethnicities inclusions, anti homeless architecture etc), and dissapointingly typical in other regards like treatment of lgbt people, mental illness, exclusion of certain ethnicities, approach to criminal rehabilitation and so on.
To paraphrase Tacitus, because I’m feeling fancy:
They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name freedom, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.
It’s interesting how even the Romans thought they were the good guys, while literally enslaving millions and condemning millions more to starvation.
Humans haven’t changed. Great powers haven’t changed. Cunts are still running the world.
America isn’t particularly special. It’s just more of the same.
He just killed them instead.
don’t act like the US’s shitty behavior isnt because they wear their crosses and white power pins and have self named and appointed themselves as the world moral police. don’t do drugs or trade in non US dollars kids otherwise they will make you find jesus.
The USSR was a fucking shit hole
Except for being too cold and the novels being too long, the united States has literally every problem it did at its worst. Many of them to a greater degree. Plus a few more it never did.
Yeah I can find a million boomers who think they had a better life growing up too. They still lived in a shitty racist homophobic discriminatory society.
I don’t even need to go so far to find one. My father, born in USSR on a land that is currently an European country. He dreams about USSR and loathes what our country has become. He has citizenship of our country and with all his love to Russia, and the fact that he speaks fluent Russian - he would not move to Russia in any time. No matter how supportive he is towards Russia, I am sure that deep inside he knows that his life would be fucked if he would move there.
Another interesting person I know is an old man who refused to get citizenship after fall of the USSR. 30 years he lived in EU and didnt really wanted to learn local language and get citizenship. Since the war started, out politics made a move to get rid of russians and their culture (I dont respect it, but it, to a certain degree, makes sense). So he got himself in a pickle - either learn language and pass an exam, or you gonna be deported back to Russia where he shares language and culture. He passed language exam from a second try. Still supports Russia tho.
And another guy - programmer who was working for USA pretty much all the 2000 - mid 2010s, yet also refused to learn language. He moved to Russia during the dawn of a Ukrainian war. Heard recently that he came back. Wonder why…
These boomers just are nostalgic about their childhood. Nothing actual to support their love to Russia.
Some people liked it, some people didn’t. There were winners and losers. Alot of people who lived thru it and really didn’t like it at the time miss aspects of it (like Americans looking at our past with rose colored glasses) or think it was better than what Russia has become under Putin
Your mom (that image)!
Soviets: “I had a perfect life!”
Americans: “your mom!”
Read the second half, dear.
I still don’t get it. Maybe I’m dumb.
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Ya got any sources on those figures?
I’m seeing that the Gulags had about 18 million people passed thru them from the 1920s to the mid 1950s, with about 1.5-1.7m died in detention. Population of Sov.Union 1920 - 136.8m, and 1950 178.5m. About 10% died in the gulags per these figures. https://www.britannica.com/place/Gulag
Currently approx. 11.5m are imprisoned world wide. And the USA has about 1,808,100 incarcerated. Thus approximately 15.7% of all incarcerated are in the USA.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-countryYou’re comparing a span of ~30 years to a point-in-time number?
Yeah that’s just bad math
Cool, you have access to the same numbers. How would you make a comparison that makes sense of this oft repeated ‘apples to organges’ meme?
Would you be more comfortable if we compared 1920-1950 for gulags, and US prisons? Or how about just a point in time for the USA and world prisons. OH wait, I already provided you with that with the second reference. What would make y’all happy?
You’re asking someone to prove your shitty point for you? Bold.
No, not at all. I’m trying to make sense of your shitty “gotcha” point, made with an oft repeated meme with no associated references. But hey, you were ‘this close’. Keep trying.
Damn, you’re not even good at being condescending 🤣
lol, no better than you at elaborating, or explaining. Are you by any chance related to Mary Poppins?
Lol get fucked kulak
Looks like it was accurate at it’s peak in 2008
Thus approximately 15.7% of all incarcerated are in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
It seems it peaked at around 25% in 2009, but has been declining since.
About 10% died in the gulags per these figures
How many died outside gulags in this timespan, though? The Soviet Union lost 25 million people altogether during WW2, many millions of those from hunger and disease due to horrifying conditions all over the country after the 1941 Nazi invasion. 25 million over 150mn is around 17%. Gulags themselves weren’t particularly deadly, it’s the whole Nazi invasion that triggered mass death
Freedom
Usa: Ill do it again!
