These people obviously have unquestionable control over everything by wealth and influence. People underneath them suffer under their ‘leadership’ whether it is working unhealthy hours for shit pay to working in unsafe environments where they’re subjected to abuse or harm.
Yet there are pockets of people, where if you express the desire of these kinds of people who lead to die, will defend them because reasons. The top reason being that they don’t like the idea of life being taken away. However, the way I see it is that, if you are in high positions and anybody suffers by a big number because you’re a poor leader or so. I think the idea of jail or any justice imposed sentence is beyond them.
Lots of people forget because it’s been 5 years, but Trump allowed 350,000 americans to die under a mishandled pandemic. Was the pandemic going to take lots of lives anyways? Yes, but I argue that it could’ve been negated and handled better. But no, that’s not what we saw happen.
And it is because of that kind of gross example, I wish death on Trump everyday, anyday.
And people argue “oh, he should be in jail to think about his crimes and the law will prevail” blah blah. People have been clamoring for jail time for lots of powerful people, only to find that very few of them do. To them, time is like money, they’re too busy counting how many days they have left before they’re back out and will attempt to re-capture their influence and wealth to resume what they did before again.
So I feel that by sentencing these people to death, we are taking away immediately, what enjoyment they have, in spending making hundreds to thousands to even millions of people suffer and having their lives be worse off.
Wishing death to someone for any reason is quite an extreme position to take outside of these niche internet bubbles that influenced you to think this way in the first place. I honestly struggle a bit when I try to imagine how you deal with the cognitive dissonance of trying to distinguish yourself from the worst people in history. You might not have the power to do the atrocities that they did, but your aspirations aren’t that different in practice. You just have a different justification for why you think what you wish to happen is actually a good thing - just like these people did as well. You even admit that you don’t really care whether they’re actually bad people or not. Your criteria is “rich and executive position,” which is quite indiscriminate.
Trumps policies have killed many people.
The cholera epidemic in South Sudan worsened significantly after the Trump administration cut funding to the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), which had been providing critical medical support. These cuts led to the closure of clinics that were essential in treating cholera patients, resulting in increased mortality rates during the outbreak.
For example. We’re not talking about someone who did something wrong, we’re talking about a man who’s at best indifferent to suffering and dying of people based on their skin color. This isn’t some regular murderer or even assassin, this is wholesale killing.
Wanting someone who has the power to kill innocent people and does to die is a pretty natural response.
Trump is an individual. My criticism is about the blanket judgement of everyone rich and powerful.
I’m not sure this is categorically true. If you are in a situation where another person is clearly and obviously killing everyone around you one after the other and you could stop them by killing them, I think most would argue it is morally ok to do so. Same for a situation of like a home invasion where someone means to do immediate harm to your family and loved ones. Murder in self defense is often considered morally ok. When people in the world through their actions are killing people in enormous numbers, it is not too hard to see how someone could make a parallel to self defense.
Sure, but that’s a bit of a motte-and-bailey. It’s like saying that one wishes death for all black people and when challenged they then retreat back to claiming that they were talking about just the ones who rape and murder.
My point is that wishing death for someone simply for being rich and in an executive position is barely different from wishing that to someone because they’re black. It’s unreasonable to be categorically against something purely based on superficial features. It’s a thought-terminating cliché that ignores all nuance and reduces a diverse group of people into a stereotype.
I actually might be the rare ones that don’t actually want them dead. Well I mean like I don’t care if they’re alive either, doesn’t matter to me, just seize their assets above 999Mil, if they resist, it’s tax evasion so jail them.
Distribute the wealth. Simple. I don’t need to see bloodshed.
Killing them doesn’t make a difference, their heirs will just take their place. I’m not gonna endorse killing entire families and expecially not their children who didn’t chose to be born to nacissistic rich parents, its just generational trauma and atrocity, do they even have free will but to continue the path they’ve been on for their entire bloodlines? Do humans really have free will? Fix the system, don’t just decapitate people. We don’t need vengeful heirs trying to bring down the new system in order to “avenge their dead parents”.
The top reason being that they don’t like the idea of life being taken away.
Well then it sounds like you know the answer to your question. Are you actually asking to ask, or just to soapbox?
Death sentences are a slippery slope. Today its okay to kill the rich, tomorrow its protests that block roads, or LGBT people.
Even if we still to a hard line of “only the ultra rich”, how rich is ultra rich? $1B networth? Sure. $10m net worth? Maybe. Anyone who earns more than you?
I get what you are saying and it is a slippery slope, but it is very doable to draw clear, objective lines around it. “Anyone with so much money there is absolutely no way they got it without heavy worker exploitation, ie 10bn+” for example. Nothing even remotely close to the average working class individual or even minor wealthy individual
You used so many subjective terms in that description. You can draw the line at a number, that is objective (but see tax evasion for how that works in practice), but “heavy worker exploitation” is entirely subjective.
In my mind, most failing hospitality businesses fall into “heavy worker exploitation”, but many of them are owner by people who arent billionaires.
People make this more complicated than is needed. We already know who these people are. We already know what kind of wealth they’re wielding. Why do we pretend as if we don’t and we need to re-assess this?
I know that some racists shitheads will definitely torch Asian American small bussinesses and lynch small bussiness owners if society gave the “go ahead” of doing a mao-style revolution.
I don’t want to see my parents dead because some racists are jealous that we are slightly higher on the working class ladder than they are.
the law enforcement aren’t gonna help Asians when racists attack us, we are seen as expendable, I don’t wanna live in LA Riots type of shit and having to do Rooftop Korean style of defending the community. That’s pure chaos.
Lol, that is definitely not true. You may have a list, it almost certainly doesn’t match everyone else’s list.
And let’s say we complete your list. What then? If things dont improve, do we lower the bar and try again?
Don’t kill them. Just make them poor and cut off their connections to their former caste.
That would be great, of course, but history tells us they either get away with it and die (sometimes) peacefully in their sleep or they’re killed by a mob.
I like the way Stalin went. “Oh no, he fell down, call a doctor.” Doctors (who had been relentlessly persecuted): “We’re not treating him, bugger off.” Stalin’s cronies: “Whelp, we’ll just put him to bed and see what happens.”
This. I’d much rather see them suffer being poor for a while before learning they can be reasonably happy at the level most people are at, and using their seized assets to bring the poorest up to a livable level.
Yeah but, how likely is it that they’ll ever see such a fate?
Next to zero. This is all just fantasizing.
So you think government execution of the elite is realistic?
And their nuts.
I think it’s more the line of “If this person dies, who will take their place?”
It’s kind of a Hydra situation from the MCU. Killing one person won’t do much. Everyone expects the next in line to keep doing the same thing.
its also like goauld situation sg1, as soon as they off one goauld a worst one takes thier place.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
or worst.
I don’t.
Sure, there are many people that deserve it, and sure, there will always be the ability for someone to try to be a shitstain on humanity, but to pretend that the effort is futile is literally just ignorant defeatism.
You don’t what?
Expect the next person in line to take the first’s place. Eventually, the greedy cunts will figure out they’re just stepping in line for the guillotine.
I just think that dying is unethical in general and represents a maximal state of suffering (well, more a minimum of non-suffering, since you have no capacity to experience anything when you dont exist anymore, not maximal suffering in the “hell” sense. I know many or most people would disagree with me on that point, but its not something I feel like spelling out my reasons for at the moment.) I also do not believe in the concept of deserved suffering (that is to say, in my view suffering as punishment only has value in its capacity to rewire a person’s future behavior, and that once you have achieved that so as to cause them to live without continuing whatever harms have led to the punishment, anything more is wrong, no matter what they’ve done, even if they were literally the most heinous person of all time). If you’re actually in a position to execute them, then youre in a position to take their money and power too, pointing out that they rarely face justice isnt actually relevant to this, because if your legal system is too corrupted to hand out a jail sentence and make it stick, its also going to be too corrupted to hand out a death sentence and go through with it. These people arent wealthy because they’re inherently good at making money, they’re wealthy because wealth begets wealth and they either started with some or lucked out somewhere or have relations that have it, so if you both take their wealth and the wealth of their friends and relatives, how are they going to get it back?
