And even if they were… are we really going to put the abysmal literacy rates of the US public on the heads of individuals? That doesn’t sound like some kind of societal issue or the result of extensive downsizing in the educational workforce?
no one put it on the individuals, they put it on the entire force which selects for abysmal literacy. people aren’t talking shit about cops for being in line with US education. they’re doing it for being much worse even for the US.
No, not if a division selectively hires them for those specific reasons. I’ll give you until your frontal lobe matures, then you better start making better life choices.
In my town cops are required to have a bachelors degree. Not in anything specific but you still have to have one. I don’t think ICE has the same requirement.
This is easily bypassed by having “college” programs that are literally just puppy mills for cops. They technically meet the requirements to give out a degree, but the program is 80% propaganda and warrior ethos training, not academic rigor or studying social science.
I was in the CJ field for a long time before getting my shit figured out, and I actually have a bachelors degree from a decent university. Most of the people I worked with in that career field had “degrees” from online programs or schools in the middle of fucking nowhere, population 100, that only offer law enforcement and nursing courses, and will hand hold even the dumbest motherfucker across the finish line.
No, I’m not. If you think local law enforcement aren’t throwing on masks and doing joint operations with ICE just because they say they aren’t, I have a bridge to sell you. That venn diagram is a circle, comrade.
This is easily bypassed by having “college” programs that are literally just puppy mills for cops.
We just call them Police Academies.
Most of the people I worked with in that career field had “degrees” from online programs or schools in the middle of fucking nowhere
There’s definitely an attitude that the small town and community colleges are just diploma mills for local schmucks. And that degree inflation has made them a kind of young person tax on the way to earning a decent salary.
But I do recoil a bit at the notion smaller schools and “hand-holding” curriculum somehow don’t produce more educated people than the post-high school educational sucking sound of service sector/blue collar employment. That you need to be in a weed out course in order to prove you retained information. Or that TAs aren’t there to hand-hold students who are stuggling in a subject and only exist to fuck you over arbitrarily.
The idea that education needs to be painful or stressful in order to be useful produces a lot of schools with obscene drop out rates and - let’s be frank - suicides to get you to a place that a slower pace, more generous grading curves, and smaller class sizes with more attentive teachers could easily avoid.
That’s not to defend cops, of course. But it seems absurd to suggest the product of a more casual and cheerful time in college is hordes of glass-chewing thumb-headed fascist psychopaths.
I think you’re misunderstanding the point I was making. I’m not advocating the gatekeeping of higher education, I believe that the taxes I pay should enable anyone to go to college or a vocational program if they choose.
My point is that these colleges that cater specifically to law enforcement programs aren’t even remotely equivalent when compared to normal community colleges, let alone a university. They do the bare minimum to meet the legal requirements, teach the bare minimum required by the state law enforcement licensing board and instead substitute rhetoric and pseudoscience that reinforces mindsets in graduates that the streets are a warzone, minorities are cartel members, and that authority is more important than empathy.
Functionally, many of these specific programs don’t give any real education or experience above a GED where it matters, yet they parade that they do. They often call them “Law Enforcement” degrees, not criminal justice degrees, as they are not equivalent and can’t legally call them the same thing. But, they do conveniently tick the box of requiring a degree and do weed out anyone too who might question system too much or show too much empathy.
But, they do conveniently tick the box of requiring a degree and do weed out anyone too who might question system too much or show too much empathy.
As someone who lives in a big city full of cops and who has to live next to a few people in law enforcement, it doesn’t seem as though my city college or even my state university system degree programs keep ugly, nasty people from going into law enforcement. Family friend graduated with a law degree from Harvard and became a DA down in Austin, TX. It wasn’t Harvard that cheese-grated away her soul. I’ll spot you that plenty of local schools can be corrupted by the financial advantage of funneling people through a Cop School curriculum. But the thing that really seems to turn people into assholes and monsters is the job of being a cop.
Not disagreeing with you there. I have a myriad of reasons why I am no longer in that field, and that period of my life was a huge contributor in radicalizing me to the left, by US standards. You see and do a lot of fucked up shit and work with a lot of people who should be getting serious psychological treatment rather than carrying a gun and a badge, controlling a court room, determining who qualifies for social aid, or how someone in a cell should be rehabilitated. You get put in situations where you have to decide between doing right and putting a massive target on your back from the system.
That all being the case, there are still a lot of ignorant or just straight up shitty people who get reinforced by these programs to continue the cycle.
It’s funny to think these people aren’t dumb enough to be cops when the more common problem tends to be police forces that are already bloated with exactly these kinds of idiot assholes. It isn’t that they’re too dumb, its that they’re applying for a job that’s too in-demand for dumb guys.
Too dumb to be a cop? They actively filter out high-IQ candidates.
ICE are dumber than cops. It’s just a fact.
I know, but we shouldn’t forget just how low that bar already is.
But they still expect them to be literate enough to fill out the paperwork, the ICE apparently has no bottom.
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No they’re not.
And even if they were… are we really going to put the abysmal literacy rates of the US public on the heads of individuals? That doesn’t sound like some kind of societal issue or the result of extensive downsizing in the educational workforce?
no one put it on the individuals, they put it on the entire force which selects for abysmal literacy. people aren’t talking shit about cops for being in line with US education. they’re doing it for being much worse even for the US.
No, not if a division selectively hires them for those specific reasons. I’ll give you until your frontal lobe matures, then you better start making better life choices.
In my town cops are required to have a bachelors degree. Not in anything specific but you still have to have one. I don’t think ICE has the same requirement.
This is easily bypassed by having “college” programs that are literally just puppy mills for cops. They technically meet the requirements to give out a degree, but the program is 80% propaganda and warrior ethos training, not academic rigor or studying social science.
I was in the CJ field for a long time before getting my shit figured out, and I actually have a bachelors degree from a decent university. Most of the people I worked with in that career field had “degrees” from online programs or schools in the middle of fucking nowhere, population 100, that only offer law enforcement and nursing courses, and will hand hold even the dumbest motherfucker across the finish line.
Your missing the point that ICE caters to people too dumb to even play the diploma mill game.
No, I’m not. If you think local law enforcement aren’t throwing on masks and doing joint operations with ICE just because they say they aren’t, I have a bridge to sell you. That venn diagram is a circle, comrade.
We just call them Police Academies.
There’s definitely an attitude that the small town and community colleges are just diploma mills for local schmucks. And that degree inflation has made them a kind of young person tax on the way to earning a decent salary.
But I do recoil a bit at the notion smaller schools and “hand-holding” curriculum somehow don’t produce more educated people than the post-high school educational sucking sound of service sector/blue collar employment. That you need to be in a weed out course in order to prove you retained information. Or that TAs aren’t there to hand-hold students who are stuggling in a subject and only exist to fuck you over arbitrarily.
The idea that education needs to be painful or stressful in order to be useful produces a lot of schools with obscene drop out rates and - let’s be frank - suicides to get you to a place that a slower pace, more generous grading curves, and smaller class sizes with more attentive teachers could easily avoid.
That’s not to defend cops, of course. But it seems absurd to suggest the product of a more casual and cheerful time in college is hordes of glass-chewing thumb-headed fascist psychopaths.
I think you’re misunderstanding the point I was making. I’m not advocating the gatekeeping of higher education, I believe that the taxes I pay should enable anyone to go to college or a vocational program if they choose.
My point is that these colleges that cater specifically to law enforcement programs aren’t even remotely equivalent when compared to normal community colleges, let alone a university. They do the bare minimum to meet the legal requirements, teach the bare minimum required by the state law enforcement licensing board and instead substitute rhetoric and pseudoscience that reinforces mindsets in graduates that the streets are a warzone, minorities are cartel members, and that authority is more important than empathy.
Functionally, many of these specific programs don’t give any real education or experience above a GED where it matters, yet they parade that they do. They often call them “Law Enforcement” degrees, not criminal justice degrees, as they are not equivalent and can’t legally call them the same thing. But, they do conveniently tick the box of requiring a degree and do weed out anyone too who might question system too much or show too much empathy.
As someone who lives in a big city full of cops and who has to live next to a few people in law enforcement, it doesn’t seem as though my city college or even my state university system degree programs keep ugly, nasty people from going into law enforcement. Family friend graduated with a law degree from Harvard and became a DA down in Austin, TX. It wasn’t Harvard that cheese-grated away her soul. I’ll spot you that plenty of local schools can be corrupted by the financial advantage of funneling people through a Cop School curriculum. But the thing that really seems to turn people into assholes and monsters is the job of being a cop.
Not disagreeing with you there. I have a myriad of reasons why I am no longer in that field, and that period of my life was a huge contributor in radicalizing me to the left, by US standards. You see and do a lot of fucked up shit and work with a lot of people who should be getting serious psychological treatment rather than carrying a gun and a badge, controlling a court room, determining who qualifies for social aid, or how someone in a cell should be rehabilitated. You get put in situations where you have to decide between doing right and putting a massive target on your back from the system.
That all being the case, there are still a lot of ignorant or just straight up shitty people who get reinforced by these programs to continue the cycle.
They don’t require a pulse.
Sounds like a nicer town.
Like a lot of places it is hit or miss.
There are a lot of degrees of dumb.
Goldilocks zone.
It’s funny to think these people aren’t dumb enough to be cops when the more common problem tends to be police forces that are already bloated with exactly these kinds of idiot assholes. It isn’t that they’re too dumb, its that they’re applying for a job that’s too in-demand for dumb guys.