I describe Debian as the “raw” linux experience, where you have to do a lot of shell work for specific things to work, like drivers.
For example on Debian you have to follow This Manual for Nvidia drivers whereas on Linux Mint (and iirc this opens immediately after installing the OS) you have Driver Manager, simply click on the install button for the driver you need and you’re good to go.
Only if you have an older computer and dont need any modern drivers and dont care about graphics or music creation or gaming, and dont care that you right have to put a lot of work into getting up and running like you’re used to. But new users usually care about one or more of those things. That’s why the distros that build on Debian exist.
I think that’s a high number, maybe 90% use a browser 90% of the time. But it’s pretty common to need to use a printer or scanner which many new ones aren’t easy to get Linux drivers for, watch a video that requires audio drivers for your computer, use a video camera and mic for a telehealth visit or school which requires drivers and software. Most of that doesn’t come with Debian or on the default repos. Web browsers do more than just read the web.
I have had debian on my work laptops (3 of them, they where current gen when bought) for 10 years, the only issue I ever had with drivers was a printer driver and the supplier had a .deb on their website.
Not everybody needs specific software and drivers, most people use the integrated microphone and camera of their laptop in their calls and that is about all that matters. Debian is pretty good at supporting the integrated stuff.
Of course some OEMs work better than others, butthe widely available brands, which also correlate with the most users are usually well supported.
Lots. My ASUS laptop from 3 or 4 years ago doesn’t have sound bu default in several distros. It came with Windows originally. Many of the drivers are proprietary, so they aren’t included by default if they exist at all.
Literally have never had that issue and I sadly consume new electronics on a regular basis. It may be worth seeing what specificially you have, as I’ve never had issues at least getting stereo working.
I’m positive the maintainers would love to know about what hasn’t been plug and play at least for the basics.
Getting downvoted for asking why is funny. I think your Debian Stable experience is a decade old or something. I don’t need to fix anything manually on a fresh install and can game just fine.
You’re quick to assume it’s my downvote. It’s not, I barely touch this button and find it counter-productive. It often makes sense to disregard it in a conversation.
I didn’t install Debian 13, but I did work extensively with Debian 12 on several machines, and issues did arise: broken wallpaper, borked battery indicator and non-operational app store to name a few.
I actually did not, I just included it in the reply that I think it’s funny.
I think I stopped getting issues at around Debian 10. Funny enough I now experience issues on different Ubuntu installs so I stop recommending it to newcomer.
For now, my least problematic picks were Fedora and OpenSUSE, most problematic - Debian, Mint and to some extent Arch. I do recognize it’s anecdotal, though.
Definitely not good for new users if were talking desktop.
Blasphemy!
Maybe not amazing, but good, surely
I describe Debian as the “raw” linux experience, where you have to do a lot of shell work for specific things to work, like drivers.
For example on Debian you have to follow This Manual for Nvidia drivers whereas on Linux Mint (and iirc this opens immediately after installing the OS) you have Driver Manager, simply click on the install button for the driver you need and you’re good to go.
Or just use MX Linux (based on Debian Stable) and have the same experience with clicking, “install nvidia drivers”, and off you go.
Do you know if it comes pre-installed? First time I’ve heard of that package.
Yea, there’s a link for it in MX Tools.
Only if you have an older computer and dont need any modern drivers and dont care about graphics or music creation or gaming, and dont care that you right have to put a lot of work into getting up and running like you’re used to. But new users usually care about one or more of those things. That’s why the distros that build on Debian exist.
90% of people only ever use a browser on their computer
I think that’s a high number, maybe 90% use a browser 90% of the time. But it’s pretty common to need to use a printer or scanner which many new ones aren’t easy to get Linux drivers for, watch a video that requires audio drivers for your computer, use a video camera and mic for a telehealth visit or school which requires drivers and software. Most of that doesn’t come with Debian or on the default repos. Web browsers do more than just read the web.
I have had debian on my work laptops (3 of them, they where current gen when bought) for 10 years, the only issue I ever had with drivers was a printer driver and the supplier had a .deb on their website.
Not everybody needs specific software and drivers, most people use the integrated microphone and camera of their laptop in their calls and that is about all that matters. Debian is pretty good at supporting the integrated stuff.
Of course some OEMs work better than others, butthe widely available brands, which also correlate with the most users are usually well supported.
Seriously what audio device needs drivers that haven’t existed for decades by now?
Lots. My ASUS laptop from 3 or 4 years ago doesn’t have sound bu default in several distros. It came with Windows originally. Many of the drivers are proprietary, so they aren’t included by default if they exist at all.
The drivers are part of the kernel in linux, that is why you won’t find them, in most cases your kernel either supports the device or not.
Never had such an issue, especially on asus, and I did have a couple asus laptops to maintain
Literally have never had that issue and I sadly consume new electronics on a regular basis. It may be worth seeing what specificially you have, as I’ve never had issues at least getting stereo working.
I’m positive the maintainers would love to know about what hasn’t been plug and play at least for the basics.
Why
Expects user to solve many issues manually, and as such requires some Linux experience.
Also, showing newbies the latest and greatest makes for a better presentation, and Linux develops so fast the 2-year cycle makes grand shifts.
Getting downvoted for asking why is funny. I think your Debian Stable experience is a decade old or something. I don’t need to fix anything manually on a fresh install and can game just fine.
You’re quick to assume it’s my downvote. It’s not, I barely touch this button and find it counter-productive. It often makes sense to disregard it in a conversation.
I didn’t install Debian 13, but I did work extensively with Debian 12 on several machines, and issues did arise: broken wallpaper, borked battery indicator and non-operational app store to name a few.
I actually did not, I just included it in the reply that I think it’s funny.
I think I stopped getting issues at around Debian 10. Funny enough I now experience issues on different Ubuntu installs so I stop recommending it to newcomer.
I see!
For now, my least problematic picks were Fedora and OpenSUSE, most problematic - Debian, Mint and to some extent Arch. I do recognize it’s anecdotal, though.
As long as the new user makes the mistake of buying a perfectly matching desktop, it’s fine.