This is what I was worried about with tiktok being banned.
I don’t have a tiktok. I don’t like the concept. I won’t be joining loops. I just don’t like the core concept.
Now add in that it’s a chinese spying tool, and I’m all the way out.
Buuuuuuut it does pose a tricky situation. Ban it, and set a precident that banning social networks is ok. Maybe they ban the fediverse next. We all know this country is run by billionaires and big business. We all know that the onlu reason tiktok is banned is because it competes with X, and Elon is basically president now.
So what stops them from banning the fediverse? Every single instance is now illegal. And since the fediverse is so unknown, it’s not like there would be much pushback politically.
So. Ban the chinese spy tool, or defend net nuetrality?
So 1: your chronology is wrong, because this was all done under Biden, 2: Trump apparently is asking the SC to intercede on TikToks behalf and keep them going, and 3: in what way does a short video thing for braindamaged teens compete with twitter?
I’m sorry to say this, but the web ≠ the internet and foreign services ≠ the internet. If it was a question of starting massive invasive national firewalls, or segmenting the national net away from the wider internet through either routing or physical separation, then we are in agreement.
But tbh Twitter and Meta’s platforms should be carpet banned from Europe. Reddit can stay, and so can TikTok, but after the history both Mega and Musk’s Twitter has had, I think it’s perfectly defensible to tell them to fuck off - especially when they target vulnerable people who are impressionable, like the elderly.
And please, no American “slippery slope” argument, because it should be added to the logical fallacies list.
how would you ban any internet service without firewalls or routing? DNS bans are trivial to bypass and maybe I’m not thinking hard enough but I’m out of practical ways to prevent access to Twitter or meta.
There’s a barrier to entry in those cases. If you’re DNS actively reroutes people are mostly inclined not to try and figure out a way to bypass it - unless bothered, like we see with the porn access law in Florida.
In any case, you can do packet dropping on a routing level from the ISP - which technically isn’t a national firewall, even if it serves the same purpose.
Segmenting the internet means doing routing in a way where the link between nodes is actively blocked, which is something completely different and is more what you’ll get behind the Chinese “firewall” - when it is more like a physical barrier than a firewall rule, because it’ll be impossible to actually facilitate a manual link, whereas a DNS blocking can be more easily bypassed.
There’s level to these problems and just having a “national firewall” means nothing, because it doesn’t get down to the minutia of what’s actually being achieved.
Americans: “TikTok is an insidious weapon of a foreign government used to brainwash our children into believing all sorts of horrifying leftist ideas.”
Also Americans: “If you don’t like Twitter, just turn off your phone. I don’t see what the big deal is. Edward Whoden? You sound like a Russian bot.”
This is what I was worried about with tiktok being banned.
I don’t have a tiktok. I don’t like the concept. I won’t be joining loops. I just don’t like the core concept.
Now add in that it’s a chinese spying tool, and I’m all the way out.
Buuuuuuut it does pose a tricky situation. Ban it, and set a precident that banning social networks is ok. Maybe they ban the fediverse next. We all know this country is run by billionaires and big business. We all know that the onlu reason tiktok is banned is because it competes with X, and Elon is basically president now.
So what stops them from banning the fediverse? Every single instance is now illegal. And since the fediverse is so unknown, it’s not like there would be much pushback politically.
So. Ban the chinese spy tool, or defend net nuetrality?
So 1: your chronology is wrong, because this was all done under Biden, 2: Trump apparently is asking the SC to intercede on TikToks behalf and keep them going, and 3: in what way does a short video thing for braindamaged teens compete with twitter?
I’m sorry to say this, but the web ≠ the internet and foreign services ≠ the internet. If it was a question of starting massive invasive national firewalls, or segmenting the national net away from the wider internet through either routing or physical separation, then we are in agreement.
But tbh Twitter and Meta’s platforms should be carpet banned from Europe. Reddit can stay, and so can TikTok, but after the history both Mega and Musk’s Twitter has had, I think it’s perfectly defensible to tell them to fuck off - especially when they target vulnerable people who are impressionable, like the elderly.
And please, no American “slippery slope” argument, because it should be added to the logical fallacies list.
how would you ban any internet service without firewalls or routing? DNS bans are trivial to bypass and maybe I’m not thinking hard enough but I’m out of practical ways to prevent access to Twitter or meta.
There’s a barrier to entry in those cases. If you’re DNS actively reroutes people are mostly inclined not to try and figure out a way to bypass it - unless bothered, like we see with the porn access law in Florida.
In any case, you can do packet dropping on a routing level from the ISP - which technically isn’t a national firewall, even if it serves the same purpose.
Segmenting the internet means doing routing in a way where the link between nodes is actively blocked, which is something completely different and is more what you’ll get behind the Chinese “firewall” - when it is more like a physical barrier than a firewall rule, because it’ll be impossible to actually facilitate a manual link, whereas a DNS blocking can be more easily bypassed.
There’s level to these problems and just having a “national firewall” means nothing, because it doesn’t get down to the minutia of what’s actually being achieved.
It IS a logical fallacy and it predates the US…
What’s the name for the logical fallacy when you attribute a type of logical fallacy to the country that happened to name it?
You don’t know and yet you pipe up. There’s a logical fallacy in there somewhere.
Americans: “TikTok is an insidious weapon of a foreign government used to brainwash our children into believing all sorts of horrifying leftist ideas.”
Also Americans: “If you don’t like Twitter, just turn off your phone. I don’t see what the big deal is. Edward Whoden? You sound like a Russian bot.”
At what point did I discredit Edward Snowden, or defend twitter?