• MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip
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    14 hours ago

    I mean… he ain’t exactly wrong. Lemmy IS primarily far left users at the moment. Some of them extremely left.

    Like I understand that this particular user didn’t really give it a fair shake, but lets not pretend those comments are wrong about that specific aspect of Lemmy. I have observed that you generally cannot have nuanced discussions on a myriad of topics on lemmy as there is a “right” and “wrong” stance in the eyes of the majority here.

    Some of y’all are so far left that anyone even a millimeter to the right of you is seen as the second coming of Adolf himself.

    Now obviously I understand that Lemmy isn’t homogeneous, but it definitely has a majority user base that leans so far left it’s pretty much laying on the ground at this point.

    Thats just my 2¢ as left leaning moderate.

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      left leaning moderate

      this user is an incel-flavour repeat misogynist.

      And I would feel fairly confident that the commenter was a woman because attacking someones personality (that they don’t know at all) is typically done by women. If they don’t like something you said they tend to tell you that you have a crap personality or a tiny dick.

      So I am open to being wrong about that commenter, but I would feel comfortable putting a gentlemans bet of 1 dollar that it was left by a woman.

      It’s the constant lost progress that wears you down. You’re carrying the conversation and keeping it fun while half the women are dry and give short answers to everything because they are messaging back the 20 other guys who all matched with them that day

      I never said it was a new shitty behavior from women. It’s just that more men are aware of it now. Especially since a lot of women will post about it online and while they do get to share it with their yaaas queen slay fan base men do also see those posts. They see those comments where women are bragging about how many dates they have gone on with zero intention of actually romantically engaging with the man at any point.

      Interesting response. I take it you must be one of those women I was referring to in part of my comment somewhere.

      I definitely wouldn’t say they bring nothing to the table. It’s just that they expect you to bring a lot to the table and often times they bring little to the table. If they also didn’t expect you to bring much then it wouldn’t be so bad, but they expect it all while doing little to nothing in return.

      Dating apps and websites have overinflated women’s egos

      The average looking guy with a job and some normal hobbies is going to get very few matches where as most women get hundreds a day regardless of their level of employment or having hobbies. This leads to women believing they can find the millionaire bachelor if they just hold out for longer when in reality they are not the women that the millionaire bachelor is going to pick.

      Myself and most men I know around my age who all did very well in the dating scene when we were younger have just completely given up on dating now. We have zero interest in putting in the time, energy and money into something that yeilds nothing in return these days.

      Based on science and reality. There are endless studies that in general women are more attracted to “masculine” men. Strong looking deep voiced men. Even more so when ovulating. Same way men are hard wired for big boobs and wide hips. Monkey brain wants to make sure our offspring survive birth and are well fed.

      https://www.colorado.edu/asmagazine/2010/12/01/fertile-women-want-macho-looking-men

      Or just Google it for yourself and read any one of the many many articles talking about the subject in various different and specific ways.

      Or just look at the men that most women are attracted to in general and see what characteristics they share.

      Why are women more attracted to abstract things that may not resemble as man at all while most men require that they at least vaguely resemble a woman?

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      1mm of perception.

      Lemmy: “Fucking die in a fire you fucking Nazi!”

      Watch this!

      “Trans folks are fallible human beings like the rest of us.”

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      I have observed that you generally cannot have nuanced discussions on a myriad of topics on lemmy as there is a “right” and “wrong” stance in the eyes of the majority here.

      Does this mean that you believe in nothing? Because I can’t really interpret it any other way.

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        Im not really sure how that is the only way you interpreted what I said there…

        I believe in all sorts of things. I haven’t really gotten into many political conversations on Lemmy. I have simply seen in other threads I was reading through that the grand majority has their stance and anyone that doesn’t necessarily agree with that stance tends to get downvoted or banned pretty quickly. Not exactly a place of thoughtful debate. More of one group dogpiling a minority opinion until it’s gone.

        Sorta like a self sustained echo chamber or something. If anyone comes in with an outside perspective the horde attacks until it’s dead or leaves. Just makes most of the threads kinda boring because it’s a bunch of people all agreeing on everything.

        It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.

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          So you do believe that the positions you hold are correct, that they are “right” rather than “wrong”? Otherwise, why would you hold them?

          It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.

          I’ve been on this planet for nearly half a century, so I’ve already heard all the so-called “arguments” that are supposed to counter the things I believe. They’re all garbage, and they never change.

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            So after half a century of being alive you have just decided there’s nothing else to learn and nothing you could be mistaken about. No reason to talk things out and hear others’ opinions. Because you are the oldest wisest human being ever.

            I (not the person you answered to) do believe I am right on the opinions I hold, but I’m not certain of it. So I read, and I discourse, and I consider other points of view, in case my opinions could have been mistaken. That won’t mean I will suddenly consider “hey maybe the Nazis were right killing all those people they hated”. There will be some aspects where I won’t budge in my opinion, but most things are nuanced and harder to draw a line for than the nazi example.

            But then again, why would what I say matter, all arguments opposed to you are garbage and wrong.

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            I believe that the opinions I hold currently are the best versions of the opinions I’ve come to have over the course of my life. I used to have very different opinions when I was younger and I am sure many of my opinions on things will shift as I get older. It’s not as black and white/ right and wrong as you are implying. Sure there are some things that have an objectively correct answer like math. 2+2=4 and anyone who is trying to convince you otherwise is either crazy or trying to sell you something. But for most topics they aren’t as simple or straightforward even if some people try to make it that way. It’s more of a scale. Lots of grey.

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              to sell you something. But for most topics they aren’t as simple or straightforward even if some people try to make it that way. It’s more of a scale. Lots of grey.

              Just because there are scales of grey doesn’t mean there are not more correct versions of things depending on your goals. Just because they are not clear does not mean they don’t exist. Simple and straightforwardness have nothing in relation to the correctness of them but the accessibility of that correctness.

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          We could quibble about where the ‘moderate’ stance actually is, but i find it more refreshing to debate the nuances of differing leftist stances rather than deal with brain-dead reactionary takes that i find in the typical reddit community

          I don’t think most Americans realize just how rightward their politics have been pushed over even the last 15 years

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        Not my stances personally just other threads I have lurked in. I have just observed that in other threads there tends to be the majority that thinks A is the right answer on the given topic and if anyone drops by and says “well I don’t think B is entirely incorrect” they get downvoted or banned.

        Not exactly a place for great discussion to take place.

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            I fundamentally disagree. Just because you or I may not like someones opinions doesn’t mean I don’t think they shouldn’t be allowed to have them.

            You can’t stop people from thinking what they think. If you silence them or shut them out they arent going to suddenly change their opinions on things. If anything that will just cause most people to double down. The only way change happens is if they are constantly running up against other opinions and they realize that maybe their own stance doesn’t line up with what they think anymore.

            I’m sure we all had opinions as kids and then we learned something at school that changed our opinions on something. Had we been shut out of the conversation or learning that new thing because of our initial opinions we never would have heard the other perspective or info that ultimately caused us to reevaluate our own stances.

            I believe being able to have conversations with someone you disagree with is a fundamental requirement for a functional society.

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              your position is one that inevitably lets nazis and wreckers infest queer safe spaces. can’t you agree a zero tolerance policy is needed for certain “opinions” (i.e. nazis, homophobes, transphobes, racists, misogynists etc.) or are you genuinely a free speech warrior shithead? because that’s pee pee poo poo reddit debate lord shit. it’s concerning the way you dodged my initial question. you will probably dodge this question too to avoid showing your ass.

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                I think it’s pretty clear from my first comment that I am a free speech absolutionist. So no I don’t believe shutting off certain opinions even I find them abhorrent.

                Like I said before. We appear to fundamentally disagree so I don’t really see any point in going down this road. You think I am a “free speech warrior shithead” already and I think your way of thinking is short sighted.

                Let’s go out separate ways and perhaps we will bump into each other at a later date with slightly different perspectives on everything. You never know.

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                  I think it’s pretty clear from my first comment that I am a free speech absolutionist. So no I don’t believe shutting off certain opinions even I find them abhorrent.

                  Like I said before. We appear to fundamentally disagree, so I don’t really see any point in going down this road. You think I am a “free speech warrior shithead” already and I think your way of thinking is short sighted.

                  What about when that “abhorrent” opinion is just couching violence in innuendo and insinuation? Often facist rhetoric such as Neo-Nazis (in the most literal sense) have recognized that they’ll often get defended up until they outright call for violence and have adapted tactics to continue sustained harrassment campaigns until they manage to inflict psychological harm that can accomplish the same goals of their physical harm.

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                    Unfortunately that is one of the downsides. People will abuse the rules and dance all along the line for nefarious reasons. Can’t plug that hole without potentially stripping others of their ability to speak up in certain ways and situations.

                    I actually had a long conversation with friends about that yesterday. We were talking about how someone wasn’t outright saying to kill anyone but they were playing propaganda videos of someone else that was saying those things. Do we hold them responsible for the words of the video they were playing on stream for everyone or is that a clear separation?

                    So we have the classic conundrum. Do we want a system where innocent people might accidentally go to prison or do we want a system where people who should go to prison sometimes don’t because we would rather never put innocent people behind bars.

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                  I am a free speech absolutionist

                  i have to assume you draw the line somewhere, though. Like, as an example, I imagine you probably support the censorship of calls to violence? Or, as a hypothetical, advocating for someone to conduct self-harm?

                  Free speech absolutists tend to be the only ones defending some of the most depraved and harmful types of ‘speech’ imaginable, and they honestly don’t have any place in a federated community. I agree with imogen - if that’s your perspective you can definitely fuck off

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                    Calls to violence aren’t free speech. That’s shifting from expressing ones opinion to now trying physically harm someone.

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                Part of the issue is with what YOU label as a fascist and what others would label as fascist may not align. It’s like freedom of speech. As soon as you start trying to make exceptions it becomes a slippery slope of who is the one enforcing it and from what view point. Either it’s all ok to be discussed or none of it is.

                You certainly don’t have to agree with them, but I don’t think banning them or trying to cut them out helps anything in the long run. If anything it’s makes the problem worse because then they are only around people that have their same views and their opinions dig in deeper and start multiplying.

                You can’t defeat hate by trying to cut it off.

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                  You can’t defeat hate by trying to cut it off.

                  It’s head. yes, that’s exactly what you do with hate. You don’t debate it, you don’t listen to it, you don’t teach it. you kill it with fire.

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                    Ok so hypothetically what if everyone suddenly thought YOU were a fascist instead? Should we just kill you because we have deemed your stances dangerous and therefore we should end it?

                    Like you said we don’t talk to you. We don’t debate with you. We dont try and change your opinions. We just kill you because we disagree and it’s ok because we made sure to label you as a group that’s ok to do that with before we did it.

                    You don’t see the issue with this line of thinking?

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        14 hours ago

        Yeah if you avoid political subs and political topics in general Lemmy is great. But if you sort by Lemmy’s version of “r/all” it’s almost all political stuff and the comments are all primally unidirectional.

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          Trying to sanitize /all through the means of blocking half of Lemmy is way too much effort, and still won’t produce a good experience I think. I personally prune and maintain an extensive subscribed list instead and almost exclusively browse /subscribed. That still lets me access /all (or /local) whenever I feel like it without having half the content blocked, but can still avoid news and politics in my day to day browsing.

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            Yeah it’s unfortunate it takes this much work to filter out the majority of the extremism, but I’m thinking it might be worth it. It took about 6 months to block the worst users on nextdoor but it made my feed infinitely more useful and pleasant, I am guessing the same thing here, time will tell.

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            If I used it more than just during downtime at work I would probably bother but really I just kinda mindlessly scroll between tasks at work. The nature of my work means it’s a lot of hurry up and wait. So Lemmy fills the waiting portion. Once I’m home I have my full computer and all that I have no reason to be on Lemmy anymore lol

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            That’s probably the most sane way to approach politics these days. Check in once in awhile. Seeing it all day every day would drive anyone insane. And clearly it has for many people.

            We should start a news service that gives you a summa of the week or something. So people can stay somewhat informed but not have it ruin every waking moment of their days…