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people need to start bringing cocktails to these parties.
Pantir is one company I wouldn’t mind burning to the ground
Nah, keep it around and poison it with bad information so that the people using it make poor decisions, just like they did with Sauron in the Lord of the Rings!
instructions unclrear: palantir office is now in underground bunker
This is just a test. Software that can track and surveil immigrats can also track and surveil people fighting against fascism.
As someone watching this from outside: More of this please.
Scrape the data of every Palantir employee.
Now do demolition.
I think that you might not get to claim the mantle of peaceful protest when you start blowing things up yourself.
Someone missed the news?
Cops have been blowing people’s home for decades.
And it’s US constitutionally agreed upon.
Unless you forgot what the theatrics of protest are for, I’m not so sure what’s your point here.
This article is about protests that were (arguably) largely peaceful, and I presume that was intentional on the part of the organizers. I doubt that they would be interested in dropping the mantle of peaceful protest in order to gain license to start blowing up buildings. I could be wrong about that, though. Certainly no one here seems to be interested in peaceful protest.
When peaceful negotiations breakdown between capitalists killing people overseas, to bombing homes of people peacefully protesting your violence, there’s only one language that communicates genociders to cease. And it’s not another protest.
fyi demolition doesn’t require explosives to eradicate invasive tools of the bourgeoisie. Read up history on how to get rid of intolerant elites.
So the ultimate point was to criticize these people for merely engaging in another protest rather than doing something effective?
This reply reads as if you are not aware the point of protest.
The protest here have proven their point: the fascist state of the US defends invasive corporations like Palantir Technologies Inc. to bomb civilians domestically and abroad.
Do you want genocide in the US?
So you are arguing that the optimal strategy is to do one protest to make your point about the state, and then start unleashing violence?
Make sure the building’s empty and you’re fine.
I don’t think that if I blew up your home while you and your loved ones were out that you would consider this to be a peaceful act merely because no one you cared about was physically harmed.
Corporations aren’t people, my esteemed internet peer.
“But people’s livelihoods!” - Sure, but a not-evil company will cover that, right? Especially a multi-million dollar one. Rebuild or relocate.
Those who are resentful cogs forced to labor under them for a paycheck are not the issue.
My hypothetical is singular property damage for a multi-million dollar corp that amounts to pocket change for those who own it and are making sweeping policy changes that infringe on people’s rights in an unprecedented way. This is not a mom-and-pop or singular franchisee targeted for immutable traits.
The analogue to your suggestion would be doxxing those billionaires and blowing up their homes. That’s different.
So property destruction is inherently peaceful as long as the property did not belong to a human being?
Who’s arguing for peaceful protest here? And why is the binary of “peaceful/not peaceful” important to you? Are you trying to make the point that protests aren’t valid or effective unless they’re “peaceful?”
Who’s arguing for peaceful protest here?
Apparently no one here, though I think (possibly incorrectly) that the protestors in the article were intending to be peaceful.
And why is the binary of “peaceful/not peaceful” important to you?
I would ask why it seems to be so important to everyone else, given that there was so much resistance to the idea that blowing up buildings is not “peaceful”.
Are you trying to make the point that protests aren’t valid or effective unless they’re “peaceful?”
It depends on what the goal of a given protest is.
For example, this protest had the goal of interfering with a developer conference in order to disrupt the recruitment of new talent, and it would seem that they were very effective in this because there was evidence that the event was shut down. However, in the long run I am not sure how much this will help because I suspect that the event will just be rescheduled, and I suspect that the people attending the event probably felt intimidated as a result of all the people banging on the windows rather than guilty for attending the event. (Just to be clear, I am not saying that therefore this was wasted time on their part; I am just saying that celebrating might be premature.)
Regardless, if nothing else, the protest succeeded very well in being very visible and unignorable, and I think that there is a lot of value in that. Certainly I would rather that they do this kind of thing than that they be casually blowing up buildings as many here would prefer.
Nothing Palantir does has peace in mind. And they for damn sure aren’t someone’s home. Get a grip.
So, just to be clear, you are claiming that blowing up Palantir would be an inherently peaceful act?
What a dumbass take, are you trying to be obtuse? Who would make an argument that exploding anything is peaceful?
I’m saying “peace” is not the ultimate moral value you seem to think it is. Fuck being peaceful towards those who want the very worst for us. There’s no moral high ground in peacefully letting fascists do fascism, actually the morality of the situation points in the exact opposite direction. I’m guessing you don’t actually know very much about Palantir.
Who would make an argument that exploding anything is peaceful?
You, by posting a comment disagreeing with my original comment pointing out demolition crosses the line into not being peaceful.
This is hilarious. Are we sure this isn’t a bit?
Sorry, I am confused by what “Are we sure this isn’t a bit?” is supposed to mean.
Look, people here seem to think that I am crying over what happens to Palantir. I’m not. What concerns me is that people genuinely seem to believe that destruction of buildings is perfectly compatible with the word “peace”.
If you are going to advocate for a non-peaceful act, then don’t shy away from what you are doing. Claiming that what you are doing is peaceful even though it involves blowing up things seems to me like inherently lying to yourself to make yourself feel better. It is much better to acknowledge that blowing up the building is a non-peaceful act and then examine it critically in order to determine whether it is really worth it, then to dismiss it as being peaceful which makes it seem like it is not a big deal.
I know that I am probably wasting my time, it’s just that so much of the hell we are going through in the U.S. is the result of people believing in stories that they tell themselves about what they are doing in order to make themselves feel better, rather than evaluating things critically, and I really wish there were less of this mentality in the world…
What is your favorite flavor of boot-leather?
RingSun, specifically the Black Coffee flavor.
Now that we have gotten that out of the way: if you think that blowing up fascist things is the right thing to do in a particular situation, then why do you care so much about whether it is a peaceful act or not?
I think that sitting in a peace circle while your friends get carted off to death camps is always the wrong thing to do.
Agreed, but if you had the option of hiding your friends, then that would probably be better than shooting at the people trying to take them away for the simple reason then you would probably get outshot, and if not then more would likely follow. If you don’t have that option, though, then by all means start shooting if that is the only way to save their lives.
Applied to this situation: it would probably be better for this group to protest peacefully for as long as they can because once they start blowing up buildings then most likely martial law or something similar will be declared and they will likely lose the ability to do anything unless they can win against the military. Additionally, they would likely end up alienating the general population, so there would be few places they could go to for support.
Hiding them? How did that work out for Anne Frank?
If the people keeping her family in hiding had chosen to open fire on the Gestapo instead of keeping her family’s presence a secret, then it is not clear to me how it would have resulted in her living longer than she did.
The soldiers would be dead and they could all have fled somewhere else.
three paragraphs of bullshit.
You did not have to go out of your way to admit your lack of reading comprehension, but I appreciate you for doing so anyway! 😆
i read it, its just all nonsense. this non-violent solution bullshit needs to get lost. You are part of the problem.
What “non-violent solution bullshit”? I never said that violence was never an acceptable solution (in fact, nor did I even use the word “violence”), just that it should be called what it is.
But if I am part of the problem, let me ask you this: what acts of violence have you personally carried out recently to fight fascism? Or are you part of the problem too?
But they didn’t blow anything up?..
They didn’t, but lots of people here have wished that they (or someone else) would.
