I’ve seen PrivacyPack go Viral on subs like r/deGoogle etc.
Having PieFed etc. in here could help raise awareness I made a Pull Request to add it, hopefully it gets accepted https://github.com/ente-io/privacypack/pull/122
I’m seeing great discussions around fediverse tools’ level of privacy.
Can anyone speak to how different it is to trust meta/twitter/google in comparison to say the flagship piefed.social or some equivalent lemmy instance of best reputation? (I know this is more of a security Q, but yeah)I’m going to be THAT guy and point out that while Piefed and Lemmy instances have much better incentive structures to be good to their users they are very much NOT private and on the default instance setup nearly all data collected is publicly available.
EDIT: Many people in this comment section don’t seem to be understanding that “Lemmy” is not one website like Reddit. Each instance is it’s own thing entirely and there is ZERO guarantee than a given instance isn’t using hidden trackers. This is NOT a defense of Reddit or a criticim of Lemmy software which is very good. But it is a fact and you should be wary of the motivations of anyone claiming that “Lemmy” is private or similar.
With the big difference being that all that data is what the users explicitly put into it. No hidden trackers.
I think they are trying to say that any instance could theoretically add hidden trackers to their own website, which is not the same as users putting in their own data.
Where of course the distributed nature can hopefully keep any one instance from becoming too powerful.
Reddit:
- forces users to use a proprietary app full of trackers to collect data and sell it to advertisers
- blocks VPN usage
Lemmy/Piefed:
- browser access is encouraged,
- lots of third party apps, most of them being open source
- allows VPN usage
Privacy is a spectrum. But when 99.99% of userdata is publicly available no responsible person could call that service “private”.
Privacy is a spectrum. There’s always a level of privacy you’re going to give away when posting or interacting on an Internet forum.
The levels of privacy that Reddit and Lemmy/PieFed offer are vastly different, for reasons I stated above. Saying that they are not private is just going to deter potential new joiners to give them a try.
Are you following me around Lemmy specifically or are you a reply guy to everyone?
I mod this community, as I told you yesterday (https://lemmy.zip/post/48357775/21510824 ), but thank you for another bad faith example.
Yesterday I caught you spreading disinformation to promote a for-profit social media company. Today you’re here with disinformation about Lemmy.
People can read that thread and make their own opinions about our exchanges
https://lemmy.zip/post/48357775/21510389
Today you’re here
I have 5 posts on this community’s home page. Maybe you’re the one following me around
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A detail, but I’ve been browsing Reddit on a VPN since OSA.
So has much of the UK. So I don’t think their VPN checks are very good.
What about trackers that collect data to be sold to advertisers? Seems like enough of a privacy concern to me.
Yeah sure, I was just noting that if Reddit does try to block VPN access, they’re really bad at it.
And people have been using third party client with their own API keys even after the API became paid.
They’ve never been good at any kind of check, it’s just supposed to be annoying enough to bother the average user
Well I’ll just say it hasn’t once stopped me and I’ve bounced around a lot of IPs.
I use most of them or similar alternatives, but this is the first time I hear about Migadu:
After a quick lookup: it’s a service, not an app, it’s not on the cheaper side, the smallest subscription is 19€ per year. https://www.migadu.com/pricing/
I pay for my mailbox.org email 12€ per year, I will stay with mailbox.
It’s more expensive if you only have one account. But the price doesn’t really go up if you have more accounts
For 19€ per year you and your family could all have 10+ email accounts each, all on different domains
What would mailbox.org cost you for 5 accounts using your own domain?
if you’re not using your own domain, you’re kind of vendor locked
Migadu is indeed a bit more expensive, but I’ve heard good things about it. IIRC they offer more domains https://www.migadu.com/pricing/#what-is-the-domains-limit-on-the-micro-plan
Mailbox is also a good options, they just redid their UI, it was posted recently on [email protected]
It’s more expensive if you only have one account. But the price doesn’t really go up if you have more accounts
For 19€ per year you and your family could all have 10+ email accounts each, all on different domains
Interesting, thanks!
I never used thier webui, thunderbird on desktop and android works really well. I see migadu has extra features for the higher price, but I don’t need those. 2gb is enough for me, I backup to my server then delete old emails from the cloud
I’m on mailbox.org too, same as you, happy with them so far
Is Lemmy/Piefed really that desperate for growth that lies are needed to raise awareness?
Federation and privacy are incompatible. You can’t tell me Lemmy is private when Google can just get all your data for free with minimal work and without you ever getting even just a hint about it.
If you post something to a public forum, obviously it’s public that’s no surprise to anyone.
That’s not the whole picture, Mainstream social media are some of the worst offenders when it comes to privacy, they use trackers and share all your data with advertisers.
Lemmy/Piefed doesn’t
…those advertisers can literally set up a server themselves and collect all the data that is being federated. It’s arguably easier for advertisers to get your data from here than from Reddit or Facebook.
If I anonymously host my own blog, is that blog of mine a invasion of my privacy? because anyone can read it and see what and when I post there?
As others have said here:
PieFed has no Google analytics, no Facebook pixel, no mobile app hoovering up all your phone contents, no telemetry, doesn’t track which websites you leave to, doesn’t require a real name and so on and on. It’s not even in the same league.I think you misunderstand what people are looking for when they say privacy. They don’t want any company having their data. If you set up a blog and post about yourself on that blog then yes, you understand you are revealing your private details and that’s a choice you make.
You coming on here and telling people that a platform they are using is private when it isn’t is a completely different scenario. Those people reading here might have no understanding of how federation works. They think “oh this is like email, my email is private, this must be private as well” when in reality every detail is sent to every other node in the network, including votes. That’s not something you would expect a privacy conscious service to do. And pretending like it’s the same as a blog is disingenuous.
Currently lemmy and piefed are not private and do not pretend to be. You are the only one saying that.
They think “oh this is like email, my email is private, this must be private as well”
They know they can’t read other people’s emails. They can read all the comments here even without being logged in.
Do you think people don’t realise what the post on a public forum is public?
What are people looking for when they say privacy? Privacy means different thigns to different people.
For some it’s corporations not using trackers etc. to sell their data to advertisers.
PieFed/Lemmy is a step in the right direction in this regard.
Some people are claiming the fedi is not private and anyone can see “all your data”. This is sooo simplistic.
Yes federation means anyone can see your posts and votes which reduces privacy. But in comparison the privacy-invasive stuff that mainstream social media does goes way way beyond that.
PieFed has no Google analytics, no Facebook pixel, no mobile app hoovering up all your phone contents, no telemetry, doesn’t track which websites you leave to, doesn’t require a real name and so on and on. It’s not even in the same league.
PieFed is the libs’ great white hope to save them from the scary tankies and even worse, Asians
If you want to really trigger them, try Cyrillic
It also has features lemmy doesn’t.
True, but Lemmy seems to be more stable and has a longer track record. Also, many of these so-called features are the piefed developer putting their thumb on the scale for the cause of liberalism
Piefeds fine now. Hasn’t gone done in weeks?
Also, many of these so-called features are the piefed developer putting their thumb on the scale for the cause of liberalism
Not sure how topics, feeds, events, scheduled posts, flairs, hashtags are inherently liberalism.
I have neither used it nor investigated it, just read some of the posts announcing it, and also heard about stability issues second hand. When I read the initial announcement, I remember a good handful of lib’d up features, but I do not claim that all are that way.
In general, I support additional fediverse software, but piefed has a lot of “hostile fork” vibes. Based on the dogshit moderation I have received from the boosters of piefed, I will certainly not be recommending any of its servers to anyone I know
I have neither used it nor investigated it, just read some of the posts announcing it, and also heard about stability issues second hand. When I read the initial announcement, I remember a good handful of lib’d up features, but I do not claim that all are that way.
Piefed.social, the largest instance by default blocks hexbear and lemmygrad - but other piefed instances may remove these blocks if they so choose. Dbzero already has a mirror server set up on piefed software.
And yeah, it had issues a month or so ago, but it’s as stable as any lemmy instance since then.
Thank you for the pull request!
