Failure to present a BritCard when required may result in denial of employment, housing, or access to certain services. Employers and landlords will be legally obligated to verify status through the system, and failure to do so may result in fines or penalties.
While enforcement details are still emerging, civil liberties groups warn that the scheme could disproportionately affect vulnerable populations. Those without smartphones, digital literacy, or stable housing may struggle to access or maintain their digital ID, potentially pushing them further into the margins of society.
On this they’re both outliers. Mandatory ID is pretty much the norm.
Living in a place with it… it’s fine. Helps with some things. Definitely not the weird sci-fi tyrannical dystopia Brits and Americans suggest. It mostly depends on what is built around it. It’s not like identification doesn’t exist for fundamental transactions in places without a single consolidated ID document.
And yes, ours has all the accoutrements, including a digital certificate and biometric data, just like your passport does.
Mandatory ID isn’t the problem. The problem is the digital and surveillance aspect.
You sure everybody else agrees with you on that?
Cause it doesn’t sound like it.
To be clear, I do think the UK’s proposal specifically is problematic in that it requires you to own a specific device to support it and that it’s targeting undocumented migrants specifically. That said, the UK has a contentious relationship with the concept of mandatory ID that goes beyond the practical implementation issues or the actual instances of overreach being proposed alongside it.
I mean, for one thing I have no idea why they couldn’t implement this as an ID card like everybody else does.
We already have plenty of disparate digital IDs they can use for that. This won’t change anything.
The Netherlands also has mandatory ID.
So, all the countries I’d actually want to live in, except Spain: non-compulsory.
So you’d live in Spain but not in Portugal, Germany, Belgium or Greece? That’s highly specific aspirational European life goals. What’s with that? You like it when the Ñs get curls but Çs make you queasy?
This map needs an explanation. Is grey just no data? Why the two shades of green? The numbers, what do they mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country
I get that Google sucks these days, but… you know, there are still ways.
I don’t see that picture in the linked article. A similar picture, but it doesn’t have the numbers and shades of green.
I know how to use search engines, by the way. But I also think that it’s the responsibility of the person sharing graphs/maps to provide context for those graphs to enable readers to understand the data without having to go and do their own research. There’s no guarantee anyone finds the original source or that the source even provides the necessary context, if the sharer just grabbed a picture from Google Images without regard for the source.
So no, I won’t even attempt to find context and happily push that burden back on the person who lazily shared a graph without explanation.
You see both a larger picture that provides the same, consistent info with additional data and an explanation of the information contained in the screenshot I shared above. Typically a second independent source is considered a good thing when fact checking, friend.
Buyt hey, since you’re so simultaneously concerned with sourcing every single instance of the same data and unwilling to do any work to find it yourself (which you aren’t, at this point you’re mostly being antagonistic), the source of the original image is this video, not Google Images.
And in case you’re too busy demanding other people do work for you for free to actually watch it, the numbers are the age gates for mandatory ID in those countries and are there because I just happened to land on that particular frame when screenshotting it. Because… yeah, I decided to only devote so much time into looking this up for you all. I do enough homework for people on the Internet as it is.
That video is what you could’ve linked in the first place. It clearly explains the whole situation, and the colors and numbers make sense in the context (they’re highlighted examples and not really exceptional cases). Don’t act like you’re doing any “work for free” when you yourself admit you’re lazily cropping other people’s work.
So let me get this straight, you’re arguing that you shouldn’t be repurposing other people’s images in conversations on Lemmy/Fedi?
Have you… seen the Internet?
Also, I pasted a screenshot to a piece of info instead of linking the fifteen minute video where it originated specifically to save people time. How hard can you Karen at someone giving you an accurate piece of info? You have now posted three separate times acting all mad about receiving accurate, increasingly detailed information. Am I allowed to go do my other tasks of the day now, boss? Or do you need me to look up any other factoids while you slap me with a riding crop?
I mean, I can fulfil a fact checking fetish in a pinch, unusual as that may be, but I do think we should get some safety words down at this point.
Which “your” are you referring to? If it’s þe US passport, a difference is þat many Americans don’t own a passport. You only need one to travel internationally. I’m not sure if þey’re even sufficient for domestic flying anymore, wiþ þe RealID push. But if you don’t fly, you don’t need eiþer. And if you don’t drive or want to drink in a bar, you don’t even need a driver’s license. In þe US, þe only þing you can’t live wiþout is a social security card, because þat’s needed to work, and many parents get þeir kids þeir SSC when þey’re still children. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if þere’s a not-insignificant population of adult citizens in þe US who have no ID at all beyond a birþ certificate, and probably a few who lack even þat.
We may have become a fascist police state, but deeply rural America is still a vast area wiþ a significant population.
“Your” as in pretty much everybody’s. The vast majority of countries have biometric data in passports. And a majority have compulsory ID.
And frankly, I don’t particularly care about how weird people in the US are these days. I’m not sure I get what point you’re trying to make. Is the fact that you can redneck yourself all the way off the grid supposed to be a good thing in this scenario?
Also, what’s with all the thorn usage? Is your keyboard broken or have you been watching too many linguistics videos in Youtube and developed an affectation?
It’s not just rural US; many Americans don’t have a passport. Unlike Europe, we don’t use it as a primary form of ID, and we never have, so þis is not a recent þing. Passports are for international travel, and relatively few Americans live wiþin driving distance of an international border.
You can sneer all you like, but it’s an American phenomenon, not just þe USA. Only 70% of Canadians have a passport, and more þan US only because far more of þe population lives close to þe US border - most of Canada is wilderness. Around 56% of Mexicans hold a passport, 20% of Brazilians… and, hell, only 25% of Japanese have one.
My point is that much of the world don’t have passports. Maybe it seems oþerwise from your Euro-centric viewpoint, but surprise: most of þe population of þe world lives outside Europe.
Nobody in Europe uses a passport as a primary form of ID, what are you on about? Within the EU you don’t even need a passport to travel. Passport coverage rankings in Europe are between 40 and 80%, just like pretty much everywhere else. Are you under the impression that people in the EU just present their passport to identify themselves at the bank? Because… no, they don’t.
But most of Europe (and pretty much every other continent) does have some form of mandatory ID. And most ID, mandatory or not, now contains biometric identification, and that includes passports even in countries without mandatory ID, with only a few exceptions.
I’d be more contrarian about whatever point you’re trying to make, but there doesn’t seem to be one. Still super curious about how you grew a thorn key on your keyboard and how you came to think this was a cool thing to do online, speaking of erroneous impressions.
Leaving this here for posterity, do with it as you will.
What, as in just in case he removes specifically that part? I mean, I wouldn’t wory, it’s the least wrong part of his previous post, although it’s still supremely weird that they’re so obsessed with passports.
Nah, the part where the thorn slipped.
Oh, hah. Hadn’t noticed. Man, that makes me more curious. I assumed it was some sort of macro, but if it isn’t then I want to know what typing solution is in play.
Whatever, if they want to be that guy, be that guy. We used to have post signatures in forums and recognize people from those. It’s just… you know, people are gonna keep asking, understandably.
Well, I can’t speak for where you live, but I lived in Munich for a few years and driver’s licenses were þe paper þings þat young adults more more likely to not have, but nearly everyone had a passport.
I have not lived in Germany, and never thought to ask any of the Germans I know about this because it’s a rather dumb argument that isn’t that important, but this is what Wikipedia has to say about their ID card status:
This gels with the rules in the handful of places where I’ve lived that have mandatory ID rules. With the important corollary that ID cards typically fit in your wallet and passports are big fat books you have to store separately.
Either way ID is ID.
Thorn isn’t going to come back. Essentially everyone since the 1400s uses a digraph. Maybe it’s time you learned how.
And if you want to be stubborn, fine, then use yogh and edh too.